AMD: Zen 3 Speculation, Rumours and Discussion

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  1. no-X

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    Does it make sense to distinguish between CPU and APU? Raphael will have (maybe optional?) integrated Navi GPU, so Vermeer/Warhol could be the last desktop CPUs (sensu stricto) from AMD…
     
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    Consumer yes, but prosumer and server (i.e. Threadripper and Epyc) should have GPU-less solutions for some time, at least.
     
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    Who's watching this? Looks a bit "Ryzen RAGNAROK"
     
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    Me.

    Mark Papermaster's inhaling is a bit annoying. You don't make so much noise if you also inhale a bit through your mouth, Mark..





    Monolithic 8-core CCX confirmed, 2x L3 cache (64MB per 8-cores?!).
    EDIT: No, it's still 32MB per 8-core die. Each core just gets access to more L3 because the two 16MB L3 caches on Zen 2 are now one single cache.
     
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    It's 32MB per 8-core CCX, it is still double the usable L3 cache from the view of a core, because CCX's don't share L3 caches.

    Cheers
     
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    I think it's the first time I've seen AMD put so much weight in gaming when presenting a new CPU.


    Aargh.. $800 for the 5950X.. it's too much :/


    RADEON!
     
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    Borderlands 3 4K Badass 61FPS
    CoD Modern Warfare 4K Ultra 88FPS.
    Gears of War 5 4K Ultra 73FPS.
     
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    Holy chips! I wasn't expecting +19%!
     
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    Phew 16 cores launches this year! :)
     
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    Highlights:-

    19% higher IPC.
    20% better perf/w

    AMD just hit it out of the park. Slightly odd pricing though,

    6 core 5600x - $299
    8 core 5800x - $449
    12 core 5900x - $549
    16 core 5950x - $799

    The 5900x is just a $100 more than the 5800x and seems fair. 5950x seems alright as well. The other two are $50 higher than what I was expecting. And there's no cheaper 8 core 5700x this year it appears. Bummer, that's what I was planning to go for!
    Yea expect Cezzanne to be announced at CES, along with Navi 2x mobile versions. I dont know about Van Gogh either, and I'm still curious as to why they'd launch a Zen 2 based product in 2021.
    They've taken the lead in gaming so of course they'd wanna brag about it! And most people who purchase high end desktop processors do so primarily for gaming so.

    $800 for the 5950x seems fair, just $50 more than the 3950X.
    How does that compare to 3080/3090?
     
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    Amd is killing it. Zen3 trumps zen2 which already was close to intels best. Now and come with that 3080/3090 beater.
     
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    Not great. This is from TPU. Bold is the 3080:

    Borderlands 3 4K Badass 61FPS 70.3fps
    CoD Modern Warfare 4K Ultra 88FPS. 101fps
    Gears of War 5 4K Ultra 73FPS. 84.4fps

    Comfortably faster than the 2080Ti though.

    EDIT: Added WCCFTech results for CoD Modern Warfare.
     
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    TPU Borderlands 3 results are in DirectX 11, not DirectX 12 like AMD results, and they don't even mention which settings they use.
    CoD Modern Warfare doesn't have standard benchmark sequence, so can't be compared at all.
    Don't know about Gears comparability
     
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    CoD MW 4K @101fps:

    https://wccftech.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-10-gb-ampere-graphics-card-review/13/

    GoW 4k @84.4fps:

    https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-founders-edition/20.html

    GoW 4k @81.4fps:

    https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2020-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-review?page=3

    With such variation in benchmarks this tells us very little other than it's probably faster than the 2080Ti and slower than the 3080.
     
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    Given that their GPU is 100mm2 smaller than 3080 it's a very good result.
     
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    My mistake as well to initiate but let's continue to discuss the GPU results in the Big Navi thread, and keep this discussion on Zen 3.
     
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