AMD Radeon RDNA2 Navi (RX 6500, 6600, 6700, 6800, 6900 XT)

[digitalwanderer]

You tried to rebuttal me, but you were shot down with facts on pricing & logic. Nobody argues that the RTX3050 is better than the RX6500xt, but it is not $300 better... in which you can not accept.

You can calculate price/performance... but facts are pointless to argue with someone who is anti-AMD.


6500xt $269 today
6600xt $589 today
3050 $599 today

Still doesn't make the 6500xt worth $269 imho, you are allowed to not agree with me but please don't accuse me of being anti-AMD.



I'm the guy in the middle with the ATi shirt on. The 6500xt still sucks.

EDITED BITS: Oh yeah, it's John Lahtinen's birthday today! Happy BD John! (He's the one on the left)

 

[PSman1700]

Cool, ive had a ATi t-shirt aswell in 2003

 

[w0lfram]

Still doesn't make the 6500xt worth $269 imho, you are allowed to not agree with me but please don't accuse me of being anti-AMD.

I'm the guy in the middle with the ATi shirt on. The 6500xt still sucks.

EDITED BITS: Oh yeah, it's John Lahtinen's birthday today! Happy BD John! (He's the one on the left)

Worth... and price/performance are two different metrics....

 

[digitalwanderer]

Worth... and price/performance are two different metrics....

I can get a different GPU for the same price that has better performance, ergo I don't find the 6500 to be a good value.

Yes, I'm talking old used GPUs, but they'll still outperform the 6500 and age better.

 

[w0lfram]

You haven't provided anything but your personal conjecture thus far. All facts are in direct contradiction to what you're saying. Make no mistake about that.


These don't exist anywhere but in your head. It's not hard to use the internet, and you still don't get that there are more than whatever you're using to conjure up these numbers.

See^
You can not accept facts, those prices are currently on NewEgg and have been the same for 8 days strait for those 3 cards. You seem truly upset. Even a price cut of $10-20 here or there doesn't change the facts, and won't change the 3050's price/performance much... don't be angry.

 

[w0lfram]

I can get a different GPU for the same price that has better performance, ergo I don't find the 6500 to be a good value. Yes, I'm talking old used GPUs, but they'll still outperform the 6500 and age better.

Worth and value are different for everyone, price/performance is not. I can get GPUs for free (sponsors), ergo I don't find buying a 3080 @ $800 a good value.

See how that^ works..?
(Should I use my personal bias or a rational one..?)


So, if you are building a new mini-PC right now today, for budget 1080p gaming, what new video card would you buy..? Simple question with outstanding catch-22...

As mentioned, I build rigs for people all the time & I am building several rigs right now... that is why I have Newegg alerts on for the RTX3050. Nobody whom I am building for, will spend over $300 for one, let alone $599.

Try putting yourself there..

 

[digitalwanderer]

So, if you are building a new mini-PC right now today, for budget 1080p gaming, what new video card would you buy..?

A CPU with an integrated GPU. Very similar performance, much better value. Can add a GPU down the road to upgrade.

 

[PSman1700]

A CPU with an integrated GPU. Very similar performance, much better value. Can add a GPU down the road to upgrade.

Or go for a gaming laptop (not as effected by mining craze).

 

[Esrever]

A CPU with an integrated GPU. Very similar performance, much better value.

Which integrated GPU would that be? Even the best IGPUs are like 1/4th the performance of the 6500XT. People here complaining about a 20% drop moving to PCIE3 on the card but you are acting like an 75% drop to using integrated graphics is "Very similar performance"?

Here is the GPU inside the 5700G, probably the best IGPU you can get on desktop: 3.5x faster is the difference between the 6500xt vs the 3080 according to them

from: https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-vega-8.c3768

 

[digitalwanderer]

Which integrated GPU would that be? Even the best IGPUs are like 1/4th the performance of the 6500XT. People here complaining about a 20% drop moving to PCIE3 on the card but you are acting like an 75% drop to using integrated graphics is "Very similar performance"?

Here is the GPU inside the 5700G, probably the best IGPU you can get on desktop: 3.5x faster is the difference between the 6500xt vs the 3080 according to them
View attachment 6263
from: https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-vega-8.c3768

What's the cost difference between the 5700G and the 6500? Isn't that the point? I have a feeling the 6500 is more than 3x as much.

 

[Putas]

These don't exist anywhere but in your head. It's not hard to use the internet, and you still don't get that there are more than whatever you're using to conjure up these numbers.

I checked newegg, bestbuy and tigerdirect and w0lframs numbers look spot on- except the only available 3050 is 700.

 

[Putas]

What's the cost difference between the 5700G and the 6500? Isn't that the point? I have a feeling the 6500 is more than 3x as much.

Isn't it clear the response was to "very similar performance"?

 

[DegustatoR]

I checked newegg, bestbuy and tigerdirect and w0lframs numbers look spot on- except the only available 3050 is 700.

The world is bigger than USA for one.

Then you need to consider the realities of the moment in the US where the initial launch supply is sold and the next shipment hasn't arrived yet. At this moment the prices are irrelevant since what you see are singular offers on a demand driven market. That "700" of yours showcase this very well.

 

[Putas]

Then you need to consider the realities of the moment in the US where the initial launch supply is sold and the next shipment hasn't arrived yet. At this moment the prices are irrelevant since what you see are singular offers on a demand driven market. That "700" of yours showcase this very well.

Since you acknowledge those prices I believe an apology is in order for accusing others for making up things and the other silly personal attacks you engaged in before following your own advice.

 

[Silent_Buddha]

The 3050 is overpriced but at least you can play the latest games:

https://www.pcgamer.com/dying-light-2-upscaling-prefer-fsr-over-dlss/

None of those are playable framerates for me. So both of those cards would be unplayable at those settings in Dying Light 2.

Also, as of the moment, many people (especially streamers) are turning off DLSS which is introducing artifacts in the DL2 (Developers have said they are working on a patch to address this). Which then means they need to disable RT because the artifacts bother them.

The point isn't that DLSS is bad, it isn't. It's quite good ... when it works. And that's the problem. DLSS isn't a selling point for me because it would be useable for me in some games but not other games. And that's just for games that support DLSS, and many games I play currently don't support DLSS.

So, now that we've established that on this level of gaming hardware, RT is almost 100% useless for me. I'm not going to be picking up a card at this level of performance with the intention of using RT.

As I've stated before and so have others. At this point if you are spending the money necessary to buy a 3050 at current market prices, you'd be FAR better off buying a Radeon 6600 instead and saving some money while doing it. Or spending another ~150-200+ USD and getting a 3060 instead.

Regards,
SB

 

[DegustatoR]

Since you acknowledge those prices I believe an apology is in order for accusing others for making up things and the other silly personal attacks you engaged in before following your own advice.

You reading only what you want to see and ignoring the rest doesn't mean that I'm acknowledging anything. And I'd suggest you stop trying to bend my words to your liking.

The prices given by that member are purely fictional, which you yourself has confirmed by not being able to corroborate them. (The fact that you've found an even higher price instead means nothing.)

 

[Wesker]

You reading only what you want to see and ignoring the rest doesn't mean that I'm acknowledging anything. And I'd suggest you stop trying to bend my words to your liking.

The prices given by that member are purely fictional, which you yourself has confirmed by not being able to corroborate them. (The fact that you've found an even higher price instead means nothing.)

It all boils down to a very simple question: between the following two options, which would you rather:
a) An RX 6500 XT for $269.
b) An RTX 3050 for $599.

 

[CarstenS]

It all boils down to a very simple question: between the following two options, which would you rather:
a) An RX 6500 XT for $269.
b) An RTX 3050 for $599.

Except that it isn't that simple and there are more options. I think that's what is debated here for the last couple of pages.
For example, the price difference is much much lower here in europe.

edit: I provided a link further up.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

People will always want performance gains with a new graphics card, no matter what feature a card supports, or it's not worth the buy, period!

I've been asked to step in as a moderator to investigate this thread. It's definitely getting unnecessarily heated. Not sure what to do yet. However, as an observation, you are making an assertion here with supporting it. Hence you are doing what you are claiming others are doing. I don't immediately hold this observation to be true. You'll have to provide evidence.

Secondly,
Yes, I do understand the needs of Gamers, because (AGAIN) I was a clan leader for 15 years and built hundreds of rigs over the last 20 years. I get calls ALL THE TIME with people's needs, because I am also known Gamer who competes at the highest FPS levels, where people are SPONSORED. I also play ultra-casual games like EverQuest and NewAge, etc.. where FPS doesn't matter as much and where environment rules, so Gaming needs are different.

I feel a clash of language here. Perhaps by 'Gamer' you mean pro/competitive gamers player and not 'someone who plays computer games'? That would explain you POV about Gamers (hardcore competitive gamers) wanting framerate, not fancy visuals.

Ergo, trust me when I say theory is different than logic and when people spend their hard earned money, they tend to use logic. Nobody buying a $269 graphic card today is caring about ray tracing, or even features. They are looking at smooth gameplay. Nothing else.

That's a call to authority, which isn't an argument of logic. Your perspective may be an outlier due to limited sampling. What's needed is either a solid poll on users interests, or in-game data on which settings people are choosing. Either way, please keep the discussion logical and evidence based, as you say.

Everyone needs to chill a bit. Note that your use of words may be interpreted differently to your own use. In this thread I can see two obvious words, "Gamer" and "worth", that can and may be being used in different ways, making the arguments at cross-purposes. I'll add that forum rules are to discuss the topic, not the users and their bias. If someone's biased, just leave it at that; don't call them out on it. Future discussion on posters* will be removed.

*For clarification, "on contributors posting discussion." Discussion on posters, paper decorations typically with printed designs, will be allowed so long as these poster pertain to RDNA2.

 

[DegustatoR]

It all boils down to a very simple question: between the following two options, which would you rather:
a) An RX 6500 XT for $269.
b) An RTX 3050 for $599.

This "very simple question" assume that these are the actual prices.
Which they are not, as the last several pages have shown already.
3050 is sold out which means that its current prices are whatever scalpers feel like and it remains to be seen where they will be once the next shipment will hit the US.

And beyond that the question isn't simple at all as there are many parts to consider when choosing between these two products. The simple fact that there are more than two products to choose from at these prices should tell you as much.