AMD: R8xx Speculation

[Groo The Wanderer]

Well in fairness to Theo, he was almost sort of right on that one...

That picture is not Theo.

-Charlie

 

[FrameBuffer]

That picture is not Theo.

-Charlie

you sure about that ? hehe /wink

 

[digitalwanderer]

That picture is not Theo.

I know that, I mean nVidia sort of had a Fermi.

Theo was the guy with the bright red sneakers, right?

 

[rjc]

Following up my recent post on the Acer 8942G:

It appears to be listed here: http://www.arlt.com/pcsnotebooks/no...er+oxid+oxid+oxid+oxid+oxid/acer/3003840.html

Liefertermin laut Hersteller: voraussichtlich 14.12.2009

Which i think means available on the 14th of December. I must admit to having a fairly limited knowledge of German retail, does anyone else know if the above vendor is at all reliable?

Elsewhere the number of stores that put up unrealistic times for availabilty of new products is quite large in order to profit from the "free money" an avalanche of pre-order deposits can generate. Many stores are often just fronts for suppliers, to give the customer the illusion of competition, if the supplier is really getting stock listings the model should turn up on other sites in Germany soon.

Wondering if these will mannifest as MXM modules, and if any of them will be voltage/thermal comparable with a 4330, or if they'll even be compatible with the same interface (wanting to replace mine).

The Cedar chip should be pin compatible and of the same TDP as the RV710(ie 43XX, 45XX).

Depends on the manufacturer, most aren't very upgradeable, easy to run into bios or driver problems. Main idea behind MXM is so the OEM can offer variants more easily without holding the full notebooks in stock, its not really meant for users to do. MXM has run into trouble with the fairly fierce competition and price slides in the notebook market mean margins are not good enough anymore, cheaper just to solder the chip on the mainboard.

ie Probably will work out cheaper to sell your current notebook and buy one with a better graphics card.

 

[sunscar]

The Cedar chip should be pin compatible and of the same TDP as the RV710(ie 43XX, 45XX).

Depends on the manufacturer, most aren't very upgradeable, easy to run into bios or driver problems. Main idea behind MXM is so the OEM can offer variants more easily without holding the full notebooks in stock, its not really meant for users to do. MXM has run into trouble with the fairly fierce competition and price slides in the notebook market mean margins are not good enough anymore, cheaper just to solder the chip on the mainboard.

ie Probably will work out cheaper to sell your current notebook and buy one with a better graphics card.

Thank you, and good answer - I'm actually using one of the few net-tops using a discrete 4330, and I've been marginally curious about this (It's a back-up mobile modeling box for interactive work).

 

[CarstenS]

Following up my recent post on the Acer 8942G:

It appears to be listed here: http://www.arlt.com/pcsnotebooks/no...er+oxid+oxid+oxid+oxid+oxid/acer/3003840.html

Which i think means available on the 14th of December. I must admit to having a fairly limited knowledge of German retail, does anyone else know if the above vendor is at all reliable?

Elsewhere the number of stores that put up unrealistic times for availabilty of new products is quite large in order to profit from the "free money" an avalanche of pre-order deposits can generate. Many stores are often just fronts for suppliers, to give the customer the illusion of competition, if the supplier is really getting stock listings the model should turn up on other sites in Germany soon.

Artl is one of the bigger chains in germany and has about 20 or so stores.

And yes, your translation was correct - except that they added a safety belt with "voraussichtlich" (expected to be [in stock]...).

That said, in times of the large internet price search/comparison engines, not only the cheapo and unreliable stores sometimes appear overly optimistic with their availability forecasts. Maybe even they need the traffic from price search and new items being written about new products appearing.

 

[DeadlyNinja]

Anyone know if AMD is planning something like a 5830 or something? It seems like the 5770's a bit below what I had hoped, while the 5850 is a little too much for my rig.

 

[Subtlesnake]

I don't see why they don't launch a 256-bit 5770. That should fill the spot nicely.

 

[Kaotik]

I don't see why they don't launch a 256-bit 5770. That should fill the spot nicely.

Because the chip doesn't have 4x64bit memory controllers?
Anyway, I'm quite positive that H5850 will fit that price slot after nV gets it's lineup out

 

[neliz]

Anyone know if AMD is planning something like a 5830 or something? It seems like the 5770's a bit below what I had hoped, while the 5850 is a little too much for my rig.

There still is Cypress-LE but not sure if it would see the market. For instance, they picked Redwood XT over Juniper-LE for the 5600's so the chance might be slim. Maybe once production pics up we might see a sub $200 Cypress in the shops.

Anyway, I'm quite positive that H5850 will fit that price slot after nV gets it's lineup out

I'm not sure they can wait THAT long.

 

[rjc]

Artl is one of the bigger chains in germany and has about 20 or so stores.

And yes, your translation was correct - except that they added a safety belt with "voraussichtlich" (expected to be [in stock]...).

I did notice when Acer introduced the Timelines earlier this year, they seemed to come out in germany/northern europe well before other territories. So i guess the same might happen with these new models.

Did a quick search for Acer 5942G and got some hits in european stores...the links were dead when you went to the page but the google cache showed three models:
AS5942G-334G64BN CI3/330M-2.13 640GB 4GB 15.6IN NOOPT W7P64 (LX.PMT02.014)
AS5942G-524G64BN CI5/520M-2.4 640GB 4GB 15.6IN NOOPT W7P64 (LX.PMT02.018)
AS5942G-724G64BN CI7/920QM-1.6 640GB 4GB 15.6IN ??? W7P64 (LX.PMN02.024)

Upmarket prices, the 2nd model is roughly 10% more expensive but has a Core i5 rather than Core i3. Third model has a Core i7 and appears a lot more expensive. Am guessing only this final model may contain a Redwood chip. They are listed as available from January 11 2010, guess Intel and or AMD or Acer itself wants to launch their products at CES beforehand.

 

[Silent_Buddha]

Because the chip doesn't have 4x64bit memory controllers?
Anyway, I'm quite positive that H5850 will fit that price slot after nV gets it's lineup out

Or if TSMC ever gets all the problems completely ironed out and supply finally starts to meet/exceed demand.

Regards,
SB

 

[neliz]

Sub 75W HD5750

Max. board power of the original 5750 is 86W according to the AMD site, TechPowerUp were able to draw 81W with a FurMark load test.

 

[psolord]

Hey guys. I've piled up a bunch of benchmarks over at vr-zone, of my 5850 OC vs my GTX 260+ OC. Have a look if you have the time.

I'd like some pointers of why some games perform so well and some perform so bad.

I'll be having some new hardware during the next couple weeks, so I will do some more testing, but still, I do not have the knowledge most of you guys have, so any help would be greatly appreciated.

Oh, I tryed uploading the test in B3D too, but the system told me that I cannot use more than 6 image tags and also I don't see support for Lucida Console font, which is vital for the well being of the text board. :S

 

[neliz]

Oh, I tryed uploading the test in B3D too, but the system told me that I cannot use more than 6 image tags and also I don't see support for Lucida Console font, which is vital for the well being of the text board. :S

try

!?

 

[psolord]

try

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Ah cool, that works, although a bit of scrolling is required.

Image tags are still a problem though.

Anyway, where it is posted is secondary to the results themselves. :)

 

[Lightman]

Hey guys. I've piled up a bunch of benchmarks over at vr-zone, of my 5850 OC vs my GTX 260+ OC. Have a look if you have the time.

I'd like some pointers of why some games perform so well and some perform so bad.

I'll be having some new hardware during the next couple weeks, so I will do some more testing, but still, I do not have the knowledge most of you guys have, so any help would be greatly appreciated.

Oh, I tryed uploading the test in B3D too, but the system told me that I cannot use more than 6 image tags and also I don't see support for Lucida Console font, which is vital for the well being of the text board. :S

Excellent work sir!

I like your wallpapers Where I can download them

Regarding numbers I'm surprised by Stalker and Unigine scores! The difference is massive! Easily playable/unplayable settings ...

Also for me it looks like AMD forgot to do their usual driver optimizations for TrackMania.

 

[trinibwoy]

Hey guys. I've piled up a bunch of benchmarks over at vr-zone, of my 5850 OC vs my GTX 260+ OC. Have a look if you have the time.

Wow, that must have taken forever to put together. Nice job. It's better than most "reviews" out there so you should throw it up on a website and get some ad revenue for your trouble

There are a couple of things that stood out to me. The first thing is just how many games are seeing high levels of performance even on cheapo hardware like a 260. Except for a few titles, software really is lagging. Makes you wonder why we're constantly waiting impatiently for the latest and greatest hardware.

The second surprise, as you pointed out, was the large number of games where the 5850 isn't nearly as fast as we would expect. The theoretical numbers put it head and shoulders above the 260. Is that the result of AMD only optimizing drivers for popular games used in reviews?

 

[psolord]

Thanks guys.

@Lightman
I will send you a couple of links.

Regarding Trackmania, my 4870X2 vs 4850 benchmark was nothing impressive really. :S

@Trinibwoy
Well it didn't take forever, it was a gradual work over two months and I barely felt it on my skin. As for the website, well I do it just for fun and I am more relaxed that way. No deadlines!

As for the overall performance of the 5850, that's why I asked the help of the Gurus here, since I cannot justify performance ranging from 75% to 225% of the card in comparison!:S

If it is the drivers, why on earth are we so happy about single core graphics cards since they are also, so very dependant on the drivers?

If it isn't the drivers, could it be game engine limitations? I mean is it possible for a game engine to not be able to utilise all processing cores of a chip and if not, why not?

Timeshift, gives a "processing shaders" message upon the start of the game and is one of those games the performed quite well. So is it in the programer's hand to infuse his code with the ability to reorganise itself, depending on the hardware it finds?

 

[trinibwoy]

If it isn't the drivers, could it be game engine limitations? I mean is it possible for a game engine to not be able to utilise all processing cores of a chip and if not, why not?

Well all game engines produce millions of very granular tasks for hardware to perform but it's up to the hardware to distribute that load over all available cores - games don't target them directly.

It would be really helpful if you had say an overclocked 4890 in there for comparison. That would eliminate some of the uncertainty due to very different architectures on the 260 and 5850. IIRC the 4890 was already ahead of the 260 for the most part so the 5850 numbers are surprising.