AMD: R8xx Speculation

Discussion in 'Architecture and Products' started by Shtal, Jul 19, 2008.

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How soon will Nvidia respond with GT300 to upcoming ATI-RV870 lineup GPUs

Poll closed Oct 14, 2009.
  1. Within 1 or 2 weeks

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    0.6%
  2. Within a month

    5 vote(s)
    3.2%
  3. Within couple months

    28 vote(s)
    18.1%
  4. Very late this year

    52 vote(s)
    33.5%
  5. Not until next year

    69 vote(s)
    44.5%
  1. nAo

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    If this is correct than it's pretty much in line with the 1/3 rule (1/3 to programmable cores, 1/3 to fixed function and 1/3 to all the rest)
     
  2. Jawed

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    Well I suspect there's more stuff (related to threading and import/export for the cores) outside of that area, but there's no decent way to say how much. Can't even say how much more there is for RV770.
     
  3. Mianca

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    I see a central (global data share?) section, 7 columns and 11 (!!) rows of square blocks. Comparing those things to corresponding architecture schemes, I think it could very well be identified like this:

    [​IMG]

    So ... does Cypress actually have 5*16*11*2 = 1760 shaders?

    It's a pity that that lower part isn't fully discernable - but it really seems like 11 rows if you look closely ...
     
  4. no-X

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    I'm not saying your representation of the die is neither correct or incorrect, but please don't forget, that diagram of RV770 didn't reflect actual layout of the GPU.
     
  5. Jawed

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    Pretty interesting interpretation.

    Bear in mind that each of the four squares that appear to be the ALU sections of a core includes 64KB of register file. So the amount of space taken by LDS (32KB + atomics logic + read request queue + output queue) shouldn't be anywhere near as large - say 1/3 at most? And TMU L1 is tiny, too.

    As for 11 cores per shader engine. Well, I wouldn't rule it out, frankly.

    The central area is unlikely to be GDS - it's only 32KB. It could actually be nothing more than the TMUs or local scheduling or it could be stuff which in RV770 was outside of the central region.

    I can't think of anything much that can be concluded.
     
  6. Mianca

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    I know. It's funny how well the diagram actually seems to fit the discernable geometry, though.

    Why hasn't anyone actually done a real die shot of RV870 until now? I mean - that picture was drawn from a video a guy filmed while dissecting his HD 5870 card with a knife! Surely some more "professional" journalists could do a lot better than this given some technical support and better equipment?

    It would make a great news story ;)
     
  7. Dave Baumann

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    I would.
     
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    Now that the cat is pretty much out of the bag, can you tell us why you never released a die shot of Cypress?
     
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    He obviously means that there are actually 12 of them.
     
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    There was some speculation about RV770 and 840SPs or so... Same here, eleven cores are more likely than more SPs per SIMD tought.
     
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    What level does it make sense to plan redundancy? Inside a SIMD, at Thread Processor level? Bigger? Whole SIMD? Smaller, per SP? Depends on if a SIMD requires all 80 SP's to be adjacent or if they can be distributed; whats the commonality of a SIMD design.
     
  12. Mianca

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    Looking at the picture, I really don't think so.

    I seriously thought I could make out an 11th row down there where the picture started to get a bit fuzzy (especially looking closely at that middle part and how it seemed to run on straight beneath what I thought to be row #10) - but 12 rows? No chance. It wouldn't make a lot of sense to have that much redundancy either.

    Nah, I think he actually meant it's just 10 rows - which, on consideration, seems rather logical given that there should still be a lot of stuff beneath that 10th row (comand processor, the entire graphics engine, the dispatch processor, some more cache stuff - you name it. That's assuming all the ROP stuff is actually located at the upper part of no-X's tweaked picture ...).

    I just wished we had a better quality shot at hands.
     
  13. Jawed

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    17x VLIW-5 per SIMD seems probable from the RV770 die shot, which appears to tally with various patent documents for redundancy which have one extra per 16. Equals 850 total.
     
  14. fellix

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    Whoops :oops:
     
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