All purpose Sales and Sales Rumours and Anecdotes [2022 Edition]

[eastmen]

They ALWAYS do. Node doesn't matter.



Well according to steam survey AMD GPU's barely exist, and the top ones are the IGP and like the 580 with miniscule share. Think about the everyman here. Top AMD GPU's: IGP (I assume thats what "AMD Radeon graphics" means) 1.34%, AMD RX 570 1.19%, AMD Radeon Vega 8 1.08% AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT .72%, AMD Radeon Vega 3 graphics (I dont even know what this is) .48%, AMD Radeon RX 550 .46%. Add all these up and it's 5.3% LOL. And every other AMD will be under .46% share so diminishing returns kicking in. As a AMD fanboy it's pretty disheartening.

Maybe , Not sure if that was always true. I also remember iphones lagging behind in ram vs other companies.

 

[Rangers]

Yeah the flip side is they typically lag in RAM (and storage for that matter) vs Android. I think very smart and highly paid apple engineers figured out a long time ago it was more efficient to pay for silicon than RAM to grant the same end goal, a speedy user experience (granted the old saw about Apple controlling the whole stack also applies). Still, Android in the low end (anything under ~$400) is typically utterly dismal in power. It's a real weakness, I say that as Android fanboy and Apple hater. The SOC you get in a $300 Samsung tablet is abysmal.

 

[Deleted member 11852]

Yeah the flip side is they typically lag in RAM (and storage for that matter) vs Android.

Apple are well-positioned in that they control both the hardware and software stack. It's not a generic OS like Android with has to cater for a crazily-wide variety of hardware, often with a RAM-sucking Android UI skin (I'm looking at Samsung, LG and many other Android manufacturers's looking to 'differentiate' their look's software look). When you control the hardware, the CPU, the development environment and compiler, along with the OS and software stack, you can achieve more with less.

Apple's advantage is mostly this. This is not to dismiss that their CPUs which, when running cross-platform benchmarks, are still really competitive, but when you toss in all the other advantages, that's why iPhones have compared well on performance even in some years where Android handsets were shipping with 2x to 4x as much RAM.

 

[PSman1700]

I always like pointing out on favor of my power agenda that by and large Apple is a HARDWARE company, not the politically correct software., And that if there's one thing that differentiates them, it's arguably power. Their chips are amazing. Every single Apple device you buy is hugely overpowered compared to almost anything on the android side. The discrepancy gets really embarrassing at the low to mid range. The $329 iPad runs circles around any $300 Android tablet in chipset power (which are frankly embarrassing) , and the same for iPhone SE compared to any android in that price range. I dont know about Apple Tv or something, but there hasnt been a single iPad or iPhone model ever sold that wasn't excellent in terms of soc grunt for the time.

My (and youtubers) understanding is that Apple's Iphone SE for example isn't all that good of a deal but ok. You get the A15 SoC but everything else is Iphone 8, iphone 6 if we want to look at design. Including truly garbage battery.
I'd go for an Android in that price range for sure. No idea about the 300 dollar Ipad, but i can imagine its the same story there.

 

[BRiT]

Xbox at nearly 200K in Japan.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1524739860220755969

 

[PSman1700]

Series S doing very well over there. Was a very good decision to go with a dual SKU release, in special considering the supply chain issues and economical trouble around the globe.

 

[Deleted member 11852]

What the hell is going on in Japan? Has something been released?

Did Xbox-exclusive Japanese Tentacle Porn Simulator XXVII release early?

 

[BRiT]

What the hell is going on in Japan? Has something been released?

Did Xbox-exclusive Japanese Tentacle Porn Simulator XXVII release early?

I think they like the small tiny cute little console combined with the GamePass subscription service as an inexpensive outlay for entertainment.

 

[Deleted member 11852]

I think they like the small tiny cute little console combined with the GamePass subscription service as an inexpensive outlay for entertainment.

Obviously, but what is the cause for the sudden increase in sales over what has previously been fairly predictable sales line. More stock? Or a new game garnering interest?

 

[Nesh]

I think they like the small tiny cute little console combined with the GamePass subscription service as an inexpensive outlay for entertainment.

This

 

[Nesh]

Obviously, but what is the cause for the sudden increase in sales over what has previously been fairly predictable sales line. More stock? Or a new game garnering interest?

Maybe shortages were partially solved and maybe the unavailability of PS5

 

[Silent_Buddha]

Or a new game garnering interest?

Hard to say there since Famitsu doesn't track digital sales. And even if the did, NSW absolutely dominates the games sales charts in Japan (9 of the top 10 are NSW titles) so XBS with their 3rd place consoles hardware sales aren't going to have anything chart in publicly available sales charts.

All that is to say that it could be Game Pass being an affordable way to game, to some game catching Japanese gamer's fancies, to XBS-S being so small and affordable. Also, keep in mind that electricity costs in Japan are quite high, so the fact that the XBS-S uses less than half the electricity of either the PS5 or XBS-X makes it a potentially attractive console.

That said, XBS console hardware sales are still a distant 3rd place. For the period of 4/25/22 - 5/8/22:

• NSW - 176,592 consoles sold
• PS5 - 49,768 consoles sold
• XBS - 14,118 consoles sold
• PS4 - 81 consoles sold

Regards,
SB

 

[Rangers]

My (and youtubers) understanding is that Apple's Iphone SE for example isn't all that good of a deal but ok. You get the A15 SoC but everything else is Iphone 8, iphone 6 if we want to look at design. Including truly garbage battery.
I'd go for an Android in that price range for sure. No idea about the 300 dollar Ipad, but i can imagine its the same story there.

I said power. Not anything else such as your preference so none of that matters. I prefer Android too, but their device power is often dismal and far short of adequate imo, short of the high end. One thing you can count on an Apple device it's arguably overpowered, 100% of the time when you pick it up. Seems to have worked well for them.

 

[PSman1700]

I said power. Not anything else such as your preference so none of that matters. I prefer Android too, but their device power is often dismal and far short of adequate imo, short of the high end. One thing you can count on an Apple device it's arguably overpowered, 100% of the time when you pick it up. Seems to have worked well for them.

Power. I think that argument doesnt hold any water for most users. A 400/500 dollar android mid-tier smartphone will offer more than enough performance, not A15 performance but do you really need that to be statisfied? I'd rather have a 2022 design with mid-tier performance which might result in apps opening 1s slower, but having the screen, battery, features etc instead of a 2014 design with an A15 SoC. Yeah it will do better in heavy gaming, but who is going to do that on an 4.7'' SE with garbage battery and screen quality?
All the comparisons on YT i see is in day to day use the mid-tier androids are actually opening apps quicker, often with 90 or 120hz screens of the amoled type, resulting in a much smoother end user experience in day to day use. Lets not forget camera, battery life and features.
Adequate? Even lower end androids do run Genshin Impact (one of the heaviest games) quite OK. How much power do you need? A decade ago android devices in the lower end where lacking in power, not so much today.

I think the SE is an awfull deal in 2022, and most youtubers seem to agree, so do the sales numbers.

 

[Silent_Buddha]

OK, just something I found a little interesting WRT GTA V sales in different parts of the world in English speaking countries.

• UK - 8th in the latest weekly rankings and 3rd in latest monthly (Apr.) rankings. (GfK data)
• Australia - 4th in the latest weekly rankings. (IGEA data)
• New Zealand - 3rd in latest weekly rankings. (IGEA data)
• NA - Not in the top 20 in the latest monthly (Apr.) rankings. (NPD data)

I wonder if this is reflective of a fascination with US crime/gang culture in non-US countries while gamers in NA have a relatively lower interest in US crime/gang culture.

Not that we'll ever see the numbers, but it'd be interesting to see what lifetime sales of the title were in various countries and regions.

Regards,
SB

 

[BRiT]

This is supply limits, but still something to see...

The week of May 9 - May 15 in Japan, the Series S by itself outsold PS5.

Xbox Series S - 6,120
Xbox Series X - 105

PlayStation 5 (Disc+Digital) - 2,963

https://twitter.com/x/status/1527277565760909313

 

[Deleted member 11852]

Xbox Series S - 6,120
Xbox Series X - 105

The ratio of X:S looks astonishing but that is also probably supply limits of X in Japan.

 

[BRiT]

The ratio of X:S looks astonishing but that is also probably supply limits of X in Japan.

Yeah, supply looks tight. The previous 2 weeks was better balanced, 3:1 instead of 58:1.

Xbox Series X: 3,508
Xbox Series S: 10,610

 

[Silent_Buddha]

That would be an interesting twist if Xbox were to eventually outsell the PS5 this generation due to continuing supply constraints (both in terms of manufacturing and in terms of competition for component supplies among various industries) and MS being able to outmaneuver Sony WRT to acquiring the necessary components for their respective consoles.

I don't think it'll happen since I hope that at some point supply constraints will ease. However, there is increasing competition for tech components which could keep things constrained even while manufacturing of those components increase.

It also makes me wonder if MS has increased how much they are willing to spend on the manufacture of each console in order to secure increased supply of necessary components.

Now, before anyone misinterprets that I'm saying, Sony is still manufacturing more PS5s than MS is making XBS consoles. However, the gap is getting really close with PS5 moving an estimated 155k units in the week of May 7th while XBS moved an estimated 137k units.

That's far closer than it was a year ago, and significantly closer than the current hardware install gap between the consoles which continues to narrow due to MS being able to increase the number of consoles it can supply compared to Sony.

• Week 78 (current) lifetime hardware sales gap. PS5 ahead 1.35 : 1.
• For comparison, Week 25 (May 14, 2021) lifetime hardware sales gap. PS5 ahead 1.51 : 1.
• Most recent weekly global unit sales gap estimate. PS5 ahead 1.13 : 1.

Probably just me, but I'm just fascinated by how global component supply constraints continue to dictate to such a large degree how many consoles are sold. Basically 1.5 years into this console generation, demand has had zero impact on how many PS5 and XBS consoles are sold outside of being enough to ensure that all consoles that are manufactured are sold. It's been completely determined by supply. That said, there is at least some evidence that MS are getting close to meeting demand for XBS consoles in some sales regions.

Regards,
SB

 

[Rangers]

Obviously, but what is the cause for the sudden increase in sales over what has previously been fairly predictable sales line. More stock? Or a new game garnering interest?

I believe it was said to be more (S) stock, which is odd because I thought S was pretty much always freely available everywhere, but I guess not in Japan?

I'm still skeptical of the S. I dont think claiming a product is a strategic success based on 1.5 years into the gen, of a once in a lifetime chip shortage, or a few tens of thousands of sales in Japan when the overall product should ship 50-100 million lifetime, is all that smart. We will see.