Preorder waiting lists for some retailers in EU are still very bad [not counting UK], which are in some cases reaching all the way up to late May/early June. Sure there is not much games out there, but EU is starved and people are more than willing to switch from oldgen to nextgen.
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Preorder waiting lists for some retailers in EU are still very bad [not counting UK], which are in some cases reaching all the way up to late May/early June. Sure there is not much games out there, but EU is starved and people are more than willing to switch from oldgen to nextgen.
Have you "completed" Infamous? Or played it, even?
Debut week?
Are we talking a complete week, a complete 24-48hr time period, or what?
If we're talking a full week of sales, then Titanfall should be ahead of Infamous: Second Son, we're talking the 11th to 18th for Titanfall to have a full week. While Infamous was just released this past Friday...
If you have hard numbers (links) of what Titanfall and Infamous did in 24-48hrs of release, then please provide them.
Remember Microsoft's "we were the fastest-selling console during the month of November 2013" thing?
It's quite possibly a similar sort of logic; Titanfall launched on a Tuesday whereas ISS launched on a Friday, so Titanfall's first week was 5 days against ISS's 2 days.
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TF was released on Friday the 14th in the UK. I think it just sold more, which isn't really a surprise, many people bought the XB1 for TF so surely it has a very high attach rate.
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Was the Titanfall bundle included in Titanfall software sales? It was essentially a free game for new console buyers.
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unlikely to have a nearly similar userbase
as check the multi platform titles (this is in a week where the top two were ps4 so we're prolly looking at ~2:1 software sales )
PS4 > X1 METAL GEAR SOLID V
PS4 > X1 FIFA 14
PS4 > X1 THIEF
PS4 > X1 CALL OF DUTY: GHOSTS
PS4 > X1 ASSASSIN'S CREED IV: BLACK FLAG
PS4 > X1 BATTLEFIELD 4
as check the multi platform titles (this is in a week where the top two were ps4 so we're prolly looking at ~2:1 software sales )
PS4 > X1 METAL GEAR SOLID V
PS4 > X1 FIFA 14
PS4 > X1 THIEF
PS4 > X1 CALL OF DUTY: GHOSTS
PS4 > X1 ASSASSIN'S CREED IV: BLACK FLAG
PS4 > X1 BATTLEFIELD 4
He doesn't. We don't get hard numbers for the UK. We only get the likes of MCV reporting rumours and the occasional ChartTrack ratings. There's no point trying to argue with the numbers as they're vague and undefined. Not to mention from an anonymous source who may be mistaken. Just take them as one piece of the puzzle, and we put them together with other tiny pieces of the puzzle, wherein me may find they aren't even part of this puzzle (rumour is wrong or 2:1 ratio was for incomparable periods).
Well if you're going to take that tack Shifty, we know nothing about UK market or NPD, really! Heck, which console is even ahead in any market such as UK is thus completely unknown...since the very sources that put PS4 ahead are MCV/Chart Track.
I trust MCV...though their attach rate figures may have been a mistake. But the very evidence it may be a mistake is...previous chart track "rumors" that showed PS4 way ahead at the end of 2013. http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/ps4-outsold-xbox-one-by-166-000-consoles-in-uk-last-year/0126321
About Infamous, it likely being outsold by Titanfall can also be backed up by Amazon. Even though Amazon's charts seem to be pretty heavily more slanted towards Sony products than overall USA sales, Titanfall is #6 for 2014 vs #13 for Infamous.
I trust MCV...though their attach rate figures may have been a mistake. But the very evidence it may be a mistake is...previous chart track "rumors" that showed PS4 way ahead at the end of 2013. http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/ps4-outsold-xbox-one-by-166-000-consoles-in-uk-last-year/0126321
About Infamous, it likely being outsold by Titanfall can also be backed up by Amazon. Even though Amazon's charts seem to be pretty heavily more slanted towards Sony products than overall USA sales, Titanfall is #6 for 2014 vs #13 for Infamous.
Meanwhile, almost every online retailer in USA followed Wal Mart's lead and offered Xbox One for $449 this week (with Titanfall bundle or with Forza Bundle). Amazon took it even further and slashed the Forza edition X One to $399! But it quickly sold out. I am not sure how many they had as it so far has only risen to #15. Really wish I'd been able to track those sales!.
MS really seems to be making a push for March NPD, I'm guessing they may take it easily.
Also, I discovered a new sales source I had never noticed before, BestBuy.com bestsellers. Capped it
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Electro...ic/pcmcat311300050017.c?id=pcmcat311300050017
It has Infamous #1, but XO Titanfall bundle in #2 ahead of PS4.
MS really seems to be making a push for March NPD, I'm guessing they may take it easily.
Also, I discovered a new sales source I had never noticed before, BestBuy.com bestsellers. Capped it
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Electro...ic/pcmcat311300050017.c?id=pcmcat311300050017
It has Infamous #1, but XO Titanfall bundle in #2 ahead of PS4.
Yes it was included.
Microsoft officialy slashed the price of the Titanfall and Forza bundles by 50$ (I think all bundles): Price of Titanfall/forza bundles are 449$ on their store once you checkout. The 50$ amazon promotion (still available) is then in fact a hidden un-official Microsoft second price cut (after the free game).
So it's really like a 90$ price cut after 4 months. And apparently it works because Titanfall bundle is stable at n°6 at Amazon.com.
It's the fact that there is no consistent evidence that makes understanding the market nigh impossible. We hear one thing, then another, then another, and trying to piece together an understanding is next to futile. But that doesn't matter as this isn't an important subject. No lives hang in the balance, and no-one's set to lose the livelihoods over PS4 outselling XB1 in the UK or XB1 outselling the PS4 in the UK. As a thought exercise and test of logic skills applied to vague data, it's a fun thread, but people should appreciate the limits of the discussion and how little can be known without hard facts and definite numbers.
With the data we have thus far, I'd say the ratio of PS4:XB1 in the UK is anywhere from between 9:8 and 3:1. Arguments can be made against either of those extremes, which is probably the limits of understanding of the UK market - what are the minimum and maximum possible ratios.
In the US and Japan, we get sales figures and actual ratios which is very convenient!
I have not completed either, but Strange has: http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1836104&postcount=624
http://time.com/37072/xbox-one-price-come-on-down-retailers-slashing-titanfall-bundle-all-over/
I think it's a little bit of both.
Thoughts?
I think it's a little bit of both.
Thoughts?
Quarter end push.
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I think its more of the first then the second.. Price drop so soon after launch especially when u have not even launched in all territories does not speak confidence you have in your product. and it can effect publishers confidence too.. Secondly internal voices against XBOX division in MS might get more ammunition to attack it..
I think Sony did have point when they used to say that its not a sprint but a marathon and using price drop like steriods might help for the short run but can adversely effect in the long run.. as customer will less likely to value your product at normal price of $500
Just my 2 cent.
I guess my point is when MCV, or other respected media outlets I suppose, report on Chart Track, I believe we can consider those nuggets of info reliable. Granted, those nuggets themselves are often just percentages, ratios etc, which we can then try to extrapolate into things that are less reliable.
For example, I consider it tantamount to fact Titanfall outsold Infamous 2:1 launch week, or that PS4 outsold One 530,000:364,000 as of end of 2013.
The 9:8 thing I believe could have been some kind of error, because simple logic and the previous 530/364 suggests it. It's just hard to believe XO could have made up those numbers in ~11 slower selling weeks against a hot selling (albeit supply limited) PS4. And the USA numbers also dont suggest XO would have outsold PS4 in January/February.
But I think if you play with the margins of error possible with rounded figures (EG, if TF sold not to exactly 25% but 27% of XO owners and MCV rounded, etc) it might be possible to explain away the theorized discrepancy and restore PS4 to a more expected larger lead. So it may not be a mistake per se.
Yeah that could be true, it's going to be hard to push Xbox at $500 now. Without at the very least a pack in game $499 would pretty much be a lost cause going forward imo.
OTOH there's advantages to a higher price too, such as when you cut your already overpriced (well imo, there's the whole Kinect debate there) $500 to "only" $449, or $399, and people get excited, it's kind of a backhanded win too, as now people see what arguably should have been the original price as a "great deal".
This just reenforces that I'm guessing at E3 they have to do something. At least an official price drop to 449 I think.
I'm not so much in the camp that current sales are any kind of official price cut. It's likely XO wholesale price is something like $470, so a gigantic retailer like Wal Mart temporarily pricing it at $449 (likely in hopes of making it back on high margin XO accesories etc at time of purchase) isn't crazy imo. Then you just had the normal retail climate kicking in, such as Amazon typically price matching other large retailers, and once two giants were in everybody had to follow suit. I'm not necessarily averse to the idea MS may be behind it (though my opinion is they're not). Only time will tell if it sticks longer than a week or so but to me they shouldn't go back.
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