All purpose sales and sales rumors/anecdotes thread next gen+

[Deleted member 11852]

There's only a couple ways to try to guesstimate revenue (either somehow divining them from past financial reports, or estimating worldwide sales, both far from 100% accurate) and they'd be just that, sloppy educated guesstimates at best.

You don't need to guesstimate revenue, it's in everybody's financial reports.

 

[mrcorbo]

You don't need to guesstimate revenue, it's in everybody's financial reports.

The information ZhugeEX provided is not in financial reports and he specifically said that he didn't get the information from them. The information they provide is not that detailed. He would either have to have a source for that additional non-public information, or he has created a model to estimate it. I don't know if he ever specified which was the case.

 

[Deleted member 11852]

The information ZhugeEX provided is not in financial reports and he specifically said that he didn't get the information from them. The information they provide is not that detailed.

I don't follow. Some quick on-the-back-of-a-beermat math looks like the graphs reflect the revenues published in Sony's reports only on a calendar year rather than financial year basis. And given revenue is published and therefore accurate, why would you not use official figures?

How do these revenue figures differ from those published? What am I missing?

 

[mrcorbo]

I don't follow. Some quick on-the-back-of-a-beermat math looks like the graphs reflect the revenues published in Sony's reports only on a calendar year rather than financial year basis. And given revenue is published and therefore accurate, why would you not use official figures?

How do these revenue figures differ from those published? What am I missing?

This is what he said.

These numbers are not derived from public financial reports as the financial reports do not break down hardware revenue as displayed in the second graph in the OP.

Source: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=176877473&postcount=32

 

[Deleted member 11852]

This is what he said.

So the revenue in the graphs is only for console hardware and not games, music, movies or online subscriptions?

 

[mrcorbo]

So the revenue in the graphs is only for console hardware and not games, music, movies or online subscriptions?

Yep.

 

[Deleted member 11852]

Yep.

Ok. So how is knowing the revenue for hardware alone useful?

 

[mrcorbo]

Ok. So how is knowing the revenue for hardware alone useful?

[shrugs] Not sure this particular data is telling us anything we couldn't have already inferred from other data, but I guess more data (assuming it's accurate) is always better.

 

[dobwal]

Ok. So how is knowing the revenue for hardware alone useful?

Its not especially since hardware isn't where the bulk of the profits are generated. When it comes to hardware metrics, we already have the most relevant which is units sold.

 

[Deleted member 11852]

Fair enough, so it just reinforces what we know from announced sales numbers, not that those were ever in doubt.

 

[DieH@rd]

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[Rangers]

You don't need to guesstimate revenue, it's in everybody's financial reports.

Where? Can you link me MS's Xbox revenue for last quarter? Or show me where to find it? Same for Playstation.

 

[zed]

Where? Can you link me MS's Xbox revenue for last quarter? Or show me where to find it? Same for Playstation.

you are correct they don't say how much the console hardware revenue made, they do say the number of consoles shipped though

total consoles shipped 360 & xbox1 & wii & wii U = 1.87 million
total consoles shipped ps4 = 3.0 million (no idea how many ps3's shipped)

Now since the ps4 costs more cash than all the other consoles I would have no problem with the statement last quarter revenue ps4 console hardware > 360 & xbox1 & wii & wii U console hardware (prolly close to 2:1) and thats not even counting the ps3

 

[Rangers]

Yeah, they do list total hardware every quarter ever I believe. It may change for individual consoles, but they'll report the total (EG, XBO+360, PSP+Vita/PS4, PS3). So you could kid of figure out revenue there, although you'd still have to guess at average selling price a bit.

Again, I dont really doubt Zhuge's conclusion, Sony is dominating. It's just he seems to have a habit of presenting numbers as factual when they seem more like good educated guesstimates by himself.

 

[Deleted member 11852]

Where? Can you link me MS's Xbox revenue for last quarter? Or show me where to find it? Same for Playstation.

Sony is easy, they publish Sales and Operating Revenue along with Operating Income (bottom line profit/loss) for Game & Network Services each and every quarter. Microsoft make you work for it. They'll publish an absolute revenue figure very occasionally then for many quarters will only report revenue increasing or decreasing on a percentage or value basis so you have to work for those figures. Why would anybody do this?

 

[DieH@rd]

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[zed]

Sony is easy, they publish Sales and Operating Revenue along with Operating Income (bottom line profit/loss) for Game & Network Services each and every quarter.

yeah but thats all lumped together, consoles sales, software and accessories. Same applies for MS, though they have even more non console stuff in their division. So at the moment we can't see what console hardware only revenue is

 

[djskribbles]

Wow, Germany loves PS4.

Germany:
Week 35, 2015 - Individual Formats (Units)

01 (NE) PS4 UNTIL DAWN (SONY COMPUTER ENTERTAINMENT)
02 (NE) PS4 ONE PIECE: PIRATE WARRIORS 3 (BANDAI NAMCO ENTERTAINMENT)
03 (NE) PS4 MADDEN NFL 16 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
04 (NE) PS4 MAD MAX (WARNER BROS. INTERACTIVE)
05 (01) PS4 GRAND THEFT AUTO V (TAKE-TWO INTERACTIVE)
06 (02) PS4 THE WITCHER 3 - WILDE JAGD (BANDAI NAMCO ENTERTAINMENT)
07 (NE) PS3 ONE PIECE: PIRATE WARRIORS 3 (BANDAI NAMCO ENTERTAINMENT)
08 (08) PS4 BATMAN: ARKHAM KNIGHT (WARNER BROS. INTERACTIVE)
09 (22) PS4 F1 2015 (BANDAI NAMCO ENTERTAINMENT)
10 (04) PS4 THE ORDER: 1886 (SONY COMPUTER ENTERTAINMENT)
11 (03) PS4 THE LAST OF US (REMASTERED) (SONY COMPUTER ENTERTAINMENT)
12 (NE) PS4 DISNEY INFINITY 3.0: STAR WARS - STARTER SET (DISNEY CONSUMER P&R)
13 (20) PS4 FAR CRY 4 - LIMITED EDITION (UBISOFT)
14 (05) WIU SPLATOON (NINTENDO)
15 (NE) PS4 METAL GEAR SOLID V: THE PHANTOM PAIN - DAY ONE EDITION (KONAMI)
16 (07) PC DIE SIMS 4 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
17 (19) PS4 CALL OF DUTY: ADVANCED WARFARE (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)
18 (21) PS3 MINECRAFT - PLAYSTATION 3 EDITION (AK TRONIC)
19 (06) WIU YOSHI’S WOOLLY WORLD (NINTENDO)
20 (NE) PS4 MORTAL KOMBAT X (WARNER BROS. INTERACTIVE)
21 (26) PS4 THE ELDER SCROLLS ONLINE: TAMRIEL UNLIMITED (BETHESDA SOFTWORKS)
22 (NE) WIU DISNEY INFINITY 3.0: STAR WARS - STARTER SET (DISNEY CONSUMER P&R)
23 (16) 3DS POKÉMON: ALPHA SAPHIR (NINTENDO)
24 (NE) PS4 DISHONORED - DEFINITIVE EDITION (BETHESDA SOFTWORKS)
25 (15) 3DS POKÉMON: OMEGA RUBIN (NINTENDO)
26 (31) PS4 ASSASSIN’S CREED: UNITY (UBISOFT)
27 (34) PS4 DIABLO III: REAPER OF SOULS - ULTIMATE EVIL EDITION (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)
28 (25) PS4 MINECRAFT - PLAYSTATION 4 EDITION (AK TRONIC)
29 (12) PS3 GRAND THEFT AUTO V (TAKE-TWO INTERACTIVE)
30 (NE) PS3 DISNEY INFINITY 3.0: STAR WARS - STARTER SET (DISNEY CONSUMER P&R)
31 (14) PS3 FIFA 15 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
32 (18) PC GRAND THEFT AUTO V (TAKE-TWO INTERACTIVE)
33 (13) PC LANDWIRTSCHAFTS-SIMULATOR 15 (ASTRAGON)
34 (11) 3DS TOMODACHI LIFE (NINTENDO)
35 (45) PS4 PROJECT CARS (BANDAI NAMCO ENTERTAINMENT)
36 (24) PS4 FIFA 15 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
37 (78) PS4 GOD OF WAR III REMASTERED (SONY COMPUTER ENTERTAINMENT)
38 (38) PC DIABLO III: REAPER OF SOULS (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)
39 (47) PS4 THE CREW (UBISOFT)
40 (09) PS4 RISEN 3 - TITAN LORDS (ENHANCED EDITION) (KOCH MEDIA)
41 (40) PS4 BATTLEFIELD 4 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
42 (17) 3DS ANIMAL CROSSING: NEW LEAF (NINTENDO)
43 (__) PS4 BLOODBORNE (SONY COMPUTER ENTERTAINMENT)
44 (NE) XBO MAD MAX (WARNER BROS. INTERACTIVE)
45 (79) PS4 MITTELERDE: MORDORS SCHATTEN (WARNER BROS. INTERACTIVE)
46 (28) PS3 LITTLEBIGPLANET 3 (SONY COMPUTER ENTERTAINMENT)
47 (27) PC THE WITCHER 3 - WILDE JAGD (BANDAI NAMCO ENTERTAINMENT)
48 (__) PS4 DRAGON BALL: XENOVERSE (BANDAI NAMCO ENTERTAINMENT)
49 (56) PS4 BATTLEFIELD: HARDLINE (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
50 (23) PS3 CALL OF DUTY: BLACK OPS II (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)

Top 50

PS4 - 30
PS3 - 7
PC - 5
3DS - 4
WIU - 3
XBO - 1

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Good to see Until Dawn doing well.

 

[Clukos]

Europe loves Ps4. And yeah, i truly hope Until Dawn sells well, it's a great game, really fun.

 

[Deleted member 11852]

yeah but thats all lumped together, consoles sales, software and accessories. Same applies for MS, though they have even more non console stuff in their division. So at the moment we can't see what console hardware only revenue is

Yes and as I said above it wasn't immediately clear to me that the graph represented only revenue for console hardware given that data appears seems to lack any useful value. Raw sales number are a far more accurate metric to determine which manufacturer is selling more hardware and those numbers are reported more often, albeit sometimes split between sales and shipped numbers.