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I think the point is that currently, in France, Nintendo's market share is respectable, and better than the X1 going into 2015. So in 2015, the Wii U will be neck and neck with the X1 in terms of market share. Nintendo's software is also doing very well there. Any company is going to talk up their successes, and downplay their failures. Im sure Microsoft is game to talk about the X1 in the US, but their success in Europe is pretty mediocre, and a totally complete flop in Japan. The point is that in many markets around the world, as poorly as Wii U has done, it will still hold just as much market share in these areas as the X1. So for a developer/publisher trying to sell games in France for example, Wii U is a viable platform, assuming your game can compete with Nintendo's own published titles. According to a former Nintendo employee, Dan Adelman, most third party publisher feel they cant compete with Nintendo on their own platform, and that's why the investment from third parties has been so poor. Makes sense, even with the larger userbase in 2013, games like COD Ghost and AC Black Flag sold far better on the X1, even though its usebase was half as large as the Wii U's at the time.
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Middle East: PS4 selling 4x as much as PS3 in same timeframe
Good news for Sony, but even better news for the gaming market as an whole.
Middle East: PS4 selling 4x as much as PS3 in same timeframe
Hi guys,
I've been reading up on the UAE market and wanted to share some information with you.
Sony has seen unprecedented demand for the PS4 in the Middle East since launch in December 2013. Pre orders were being taken for the console more than 4 months before release and retailers in the UAE estimated that more than 4,200 consumers pre ordered the PS4 before release. Retailers hinted that pre orders could have been much higher had there not been a cap on the number of pre orders. The first shipment in the UAE was sold out on the first day. At the midnight launch, many gaming outlets were flocked with crowds, with some gamers picking up pre-ordered consoles, and walk-in customers, who faced an uncertain wait in an attempt to secure scarce stock.
“We got three times more crowds yesterday than we expected at every store,” Kishan Palija, managing director of games retailer Geekay Group MEA told Arabiya News. Some came dressed as video game characters to take part in a contest offering a PS4 as first prize. Others dressed up for the fun of it, and were content to queue for five hours before the console went on sale at midnight. For customers who did not buy in advance, “there were some disappointments,” added Palija. Stores in Bahrain and Oman were also sold out of PS4's on the first day. Despite the huge demand in the UAE, Sony were unable to adequately supply the region with the second shipment only arriving in mid January, more than 1 month after launch. This shipment also sold out.
According to Nadeem Khanzadah, head of retail at Jumbo Electronics, one reason for the big PS4 demand is due to the short launch gap between the US and the UAE. PS4 sales will exceed PS3 as retailers have not seen the response when PS3 was launched. According to Robert Fisser, general manager at Sony Middle East, the PS4 has sold more than 4x faster than the PS3 in the same time period, the PS3 is currently the most popular home console in UAE with more than 60% market share. It took the PS3 over 2 and a half years to sell over 450,000 units in the Middle East and Robert Fisser also said that PS4 sales will shortly exceed 1 million units across the region.
The gaming industry in the middle east is booming and is expected to see double digit growth this year with the PS4 leading the way. The quick launch in the UAE as well as other factors such as Arabic language support & large gaming events has seen PlayStation become a huge name in the middle east with gamers referring to "PlayStation" for all games in a similar way to how people use "Hoover", a brand name, to refer to their vacuum cleaner or how people say "google it" to refer to using a search engine. Games in the Middle East are being developed in Arabic language as well and Sony are helping a number of smaller developers in the region get their games onto PS4.
Sony has big plans for the growing Middle East region and will continue to support gamers there.
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Good news for Sony, but even better news for the gaming market as an whole.
Yeah, your general core COD/GTA/AC/BF player will obviously go to Playstation or Xbox. Then it's a self fulfilling thing, COD/GTA dont come to Nintendo, because the players dont buy them on Nintendo, so they dont come to Nintendo.
Not exactly new info but Nintendo consoles are pretty much just for Nintendo first party games by now. In order to get back in competition for the core, they will have to come out with a similarly powerful box to the other two. And even then, players habits are ingrained now, it wouldn't be easy.
Not exactly new info but Nintendo consoles are pretty much just for Nintendo first party games by now. In order to get back in competition for the core, they will have to come out with a similarly powerful box to the other two. And even then, players habits are ingrained now, it wouldn't be easy.
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Well, things are starting to shake out like most of us expected. XBO continues to lose momentum even with the price reduction in the latest Amazon monthly update.
08 - PS4 (unchanged)
18 - XBO: AC (down 2 spots)
50 - Wii U: SM 3D + Nintendo land bundle (just noticed this, it likely won't stay in long though since it appears stock is now low)
98 - 3DS Black
Gift cards continue to dominate the top of the charts with 4 of the top 5 being gift cards. I think the XBL gift cards would do better if Microsoft didn't have so many of them. PSN appears to just have 3 gift cards available while XBL has at least 6 available in the top 100. Well do better as in any particular SKU charting higher. I'm sure combined sales would still be the same whether they only offered 3 versus the 6 on hand.
February is going to be interesting for Nintendo. I expect 3DS to make a splash with both Monster Hunter and New 3DS launching simultaneously. Would not be surprised to see New 3DS in the top 20 even with it launching towards the middle of the month.
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SB
08 - PS4 (unchanged)
18 - XBO: AC (down 2 spots)
50 - Wii U: SM 3D + Nintendo land bundle (just noticed this, it likely won't stay in long though since it appears stock is now low)
98 - 3DS Black
Gift cards continue to dominate the top of the charts with 4 of the top 5 being gift cards. I think the XBL gift cards would do better if Microsoft didn't have so many of them. PSN appears to just have 3 gift cards available while XBL has at least 6 available in the top 100. Well do better as in any particular SKU charting higher. I'm sure combined sales would still be the same whether they only offered 3 versus the 6 on hand.
February is going to be interesting for Nintendo. I expect 3DS to make a splash with both Monster Hunter and New 3DS launching simultaneously. Would not be surprised to see New 3DS in the top 20 even with it launching towards the middle of the month.
Regards,
SB
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According to amazon, Sony offers 5 different gift cards and MS offers 10. Each XBL gift card can be purchased in the form of a code or card (edit: check that, only 25/50 XBL cards can be purchased in the form of a card), while PSN cards can only be purchased in the form of a code at amazon.
You can get an idea of how the gift cards are selling collectively by looking at the customer review count on XBL vs PSN gift cards since amazon groups the reviews together. PSN gift cards have 9,373 reviews, while XBL gift cards have 2,071 reviews.
It's interesting that the PS4 is on top again, even after MS dropped the price back down. My guess is that during the holidays, many parents just went with the cheaper console for their kids. But now that Christmas is over, the PS4 is outselling XB1 because it's actually the more wanted console.
I'll be surprised if the PS4 outsells XB1 by a decent margin in January. I would have thought that a $349 XB1 with 2 games would at least put it on par with the PS4 at 399 with 1 game (or is TLoU an amazon only deal?).
You can get an idea of how the gift cards are selling collectively by looking at the customer review count on XBL vs PSN gift cards since amazon groups the reviews together. PSN gift cards have 9,373 reviews, while XBL gift cards have 2,071 reviews.
It's interesting that the PS4 is on top again, even after MS dropped the price back down. My guess is that during the holidays, many parents just went with the cheaper console for their kids. But now that Christmas is over, the PS4 is outselling XB1 because it's actually the more wanted console.
I'll be surprised if the PS4 outsells XB1 by a decent margin in January. I would have thought that a $349 XB1 with 2 games would at least put it on par with the PS4 at 399 with 1 game (or is TLoU an amazon only deal?).
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Well they did wait 2 weeks before instituting the deal price.
Silent_Buddha
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Not a terribly useful way of gauging purchase for any given month as reviews are cumulative. And that doesn't even get into the fact that you can comment on a product without purchasing it. For example, in December PS4 had significantly more customer reviews than XBO: AC, yet XBO: AC handily outperformed it for the month.
And even more troublesome in this particular case. As PSN gift cards have been the same for quite some years now, while XBL gift cards are relatively new. Prior to XBO launch, Microsoft used XBL Point cards.
Regards,
SB
djskribbles
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Huh? PS4 didn't have significantly more reviews in the month of December. You can get a rough idea by seeing how many pages of reviews there are in a given month, or even count the reviews if you have time to burn. It's easy to do since you can alter the url and change the page number.
There are ~48 pages of XB1:AC reviews that were written in the month of December vs ~33 for PS4. The XB1 didn't outsell PS4 by that wide of margin, so either there are more short PS4 reviews, or there are more non-verified customer reviews for XB1 (or amazon customers preferred XB1 over PS4 compared to other retailers for whatever reason).
Wasn't aware of that. Well in that case, there are ~652 pages of PSN gift card reviews vs 208 pages of XBL gift cards in the same time frame (from when XBL gift cards were made available to present). There are ~15 pages of PSN reviews vs ~6 XBL in the past week, ~56 vs ~22 in the month of January so far, and ~73 pages vs ~27 in December XBL. The gap has narrowed a bit, but XBL gift card sales seem to still be significantly trailing PSN, at least at amazon.com. Of course there could be a lot more non-verified customer reviews for PSN cards, but I think that's highly unlikely, especially with gift cards.
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It was always around $370 via 3rd parties fulfilled by Amazon with prime. We don't know where it would have sunk to at $400.
MS always have a stronger holiday (proportionately) - I do wonder how much is price (like you say) or just getting what 'little johnny' wants when price (or rather ~10% difference) doesn't come into effect.
Silent_Buddha
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Yeah, I wish they broke it down like they did last year. But the split should obviously be higher than last year where it was 3.9 million XBO and 3.4 milliion X360. X360 should have dropped significantly since then which means XBO did quite a bit more than 3.9 million for the quarter. Which makes sense considering last year was only sales (XBO) from Nov. 22 - Dec. 31. While this year was sales from Oct. 1 - Dec. 31. I'd say sales for XBO was likely somewhere between 5 - 6 million for the quarter depending on how much sales of X360 are holding on.
What's interesting is that the new Phone Division is already operating with positive gross margin.
Regards,
SB
1. Christmas is gone, and we are not allowed to buy anything for 11 months now.
2. Everyone is broke in January.
IMHO, parents buying in December gamers buying in January - of course it could be that 'a game' has worn off so folk are not as interested, but historically XB sells better in December, IIRC for a few years PS3 sold better than XB360 through the year just to be wiped out over Christmas.
That combined with the lack of XBO exclusives first half of the year does not bode well for MS
That combined with the lack of XBO exclusives first half of the year does not bode well for MS
I went to Target the other day and the AC Unity X1 was still 399. I think there were similar reports of X1 being "back" at 399 on GAF at brick and mortar. But maybe it's just the Unity bundle? Confusing weirdness, anyway.
Edit: Since the online price seems 349 at a couple retailers I checked, perhaps brick and mortar has just been slow to update the price.
Edit: Since the online price seems 349 at a couple retailers I checked, perhaps brick and mortar has just been slow to update the price.
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