This argument is ridiculous.
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This argument is ridiculous.
Rainbow Man
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Well what can I say otehr than I don't agree. I don't see anything worth complaining about re. the smoke in that screenshot. It looks like computer game smoke sure. Then again smoke in all games looks like computer gam esmoke.
Look.. Everything can undoubtedly be done better. Problem is when you just pile on "better" the game dies and RAM overflows.
Your opinion that this smoke sucks is just that. It's not univerasl truth.
Peace.
The difference is that most of the things wrong about Lair can be done better without any extra resource cost, just by making better textures and tweaking the shader and lighting parameters. And we've been through this discussion as well many times before on B3D.
Not universal truth, sure; but on my better days I tend to think that I know this and that about 3D graphics, being payed to work in the industry for a while now...
I agree that the smoke and especially fire effects are terrible judging from previous screens and videos. But I think the last screen doesnt show well how the smoke effects look like now.
Rainbow Man
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You know how to make it yes.
But you don't know in the same manner how to judge it artistically since taste isn't based on knowledge and experience but rather individual preference.
It's my personal opinion the smoke (textures and otherwise) looks fine. Even when compared to other contemporary titles. Besides the gae isn't done yet. Maybe they'll tweak appearances so it agrees more with your particular taste.
Peac.e
Art Direction
Laa-Yosh's opinion is just that, an opinion. Just like anybody else. However, the difference being point of origin.
Art Direction will generally take a game and funnel the visuals to create a consistant look. Whether one agrees with that look or not is subjective, however it is the Art Directors job to maintain control of that look in every phase possible to create a believable world. I was under the impression these images were mid WIP. If that is still the case and the June ship date is off, then my comments in this post mean little. However if these shots represent the final product, the Art Director is not doing a good job or his people are incapable. Unrealistic looking objects are not necessarily worse or better than realistic or hyper-realistic ones. Adding and mixing these though generally should be avoided. It shows poor consistancy and likely poor Art Direction.
While Laa-Yosh may not be an Art Director, his familiarity with the workflow and producing high quality graphics for a living, does lend his opinion more credibility in this related field than most on this board.
IMO.
You know how to make it yes.
But you don't know in the same manner how to judge it artistically since taste isn't based on knowledge and experience but rather individual preference.
It's my personal opinion the smoke (textures and otherwise) looks fine. Even when compared to other contemporary titles. Besides the gae isn't done yet. Maybe they'll tweak appearances so it agrees more with your particular taste.
Peac.e
Laa-Yosh's opinion is just that, an opinion. Just like anybody else. However, the difference being point of origin.
Art Direction will generally take a game and funnel the visuals to create a consistant look. Whether one agrees with that look or not is subjective, however it is the Art Directors job to maintain control of that look in every phase possible to create a believable world. I was under the impression these images were mid WIP. If that is still the case and the June ship date is off, then my comments in this post mean little. However if these shots represent the final product, the Art Director is not doing a good job or his people are incapable. Unrealistic looking objects are not necessarily worse or better than realistic or hyper-realistic ones. Adding and mixing these though generally should be avoided. It shows poor consistancy and likely poor Art Direction.
While Laa-Yosh may not be an Art Director, his familiarity with the workflow and producing high quality graphics for a living, does lend his opinion more credibility in this related field than most on this board.
IMO.
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I don't know, someone could have the opinion that Ewe Boll makes good films, but they'd be wrong. Marking something as an opinion does not protect it from critical thought and not all opinions are created equal.Laa-Yosh's opinion is just that, an opinion. Just like anybody else. However, the difference being point of origin.
Art Direction will generally take a game and funnel the visuals to create a consistant look. Whether one agrees with that look or not is subjective, however it is the Art Directors job to maintain control of that look in every phase possible to create a believable world. I was under the impression these images were mid WIP. If that is still the case and the June ship date is off, then my comments in this post mean little. However if these shots represent the final product, the Art Director is not doing a good job or his people are incapable. Unrealistic looking objects are not necessarily worse or better than realistic or hyper-realistic ones. Adding and mixing these though generally should be avoided. It shows poor consistancy and likely poor Art Direction.
While Laa-Yosh may not be an Art Director, his familiarity with the workflow and producing high quality graphics for a living, does lend his opinion more credibility in this related field than most on this board.
IMO.
No, I meant the reverse, that Laa-Yosh's opinion when it comes to art/graphics should carry a stronger weight than, say, my own opinion.True - good point. Having said, that I don't think you can classify Laa-Yosh's work in the same class as a Ewe Boll.
In this case, Lair would be Ewe Boll film.
crazygambit
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Well, I shouldn't be expected to spell his name correctly, seeing as I'm not a fan. But you seem to know it...hmmmIt's Uwe Boll and you might wanna tone down your criticism unless you feel like boxing the man
Actually, I'm a terrible phonetic speller, so whenever I think of Uwe Boll, I'm mentally pronouncing it Ewwww Boll.
mckmas8808
Legend
Nope. Same ol' screens.
Those textures kinda...don't look so great now. This one looks particularly bad:
http://images.playsyde.com/gallery/public/5172/999_0007.jpg
The water looks like an opaque texture with the same specular lighting as the dragon's underside. Looks weird. I think I'd like to see a video instead.
http://images.playsyde.com/gallery/public/5172/999_0007.jpg
The water looks like an opaque texture with the same specular lighting as the dragon's underside. Looks weird. I think I'd like to see a video instead.
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mckmas8808
Legend
These screens weren't from HDMI. When you see the HDMI screens you'll see the full potential of this game.
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ah...
I'm not spending $3000 (CAD) for a decent TV just for that!
123 dibsout!
Sorry, I'm 100% sure that we haven't seen at least 3-5 of these, and the rest were downsized, or scanned versions.
Is this what can happen with the pixel doubling option in F.E.A.R. (PC) ? (when you enable pixel doubling and enable AA).
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