Predict: Next gen console tech (10th generation edition) [2028+]

[Kaotik]

I haven't seen super detailed memory scaling for 9800x3d yet, but it seems like diminishing returns start to hit around ddr5 6000. With the 3D v-cache parts you generally seem to be less constrained by memory latency and bandwidth, depending on the game. I could see a console using 3D v-cache and then going with memory that's a little more conservative(cheaper) in terms of timings, bandwidth.

It might scale higher if the memory controller wouldn't need to shift gears to 1:2 after that

 

[QPlayer]

Hmm... Is it conceivable that DRAM will be used again with fast SRAM? I understand that it is difficult to implement SRAM in sizes around 1GB, which is why it is only used in special cases these days. I wonder how big a scratchpad should be for a new console?

 

[vjPiedPiper]

That cache is for the cpu, with benchmarks using a separate gpu with its own memory.
If you put it in an apu you still need a wide and fast memory bus to feed the gpu.

I think they have said there still getting 2.5TB/s of bandwidth for the V cache, so probably enough for both CPU and GPU, in a APU situation.

 

[Scott_Arm]

I guess 3D V-cache would require that the APUs switch to a chiplet design, and then it’s a question of whether the gpu is on the same chiplet. Or whether they’d attempt a dedicated cache for a gpu chiplet or just pair it with the cpu cores.

 

[fehu]

I think they have said there still getting 2.5TB/s of bandwidth for the V cache, so probably enough for both CPU and GPU, in a APU situation.

To really be useful for the gpu it would have to be way bigger

 

[Kaotik]

To really be useful for the gpu it would have to be way bigger

Would it? Of course ∞$ isn't exactly the same thing, but APUs won't be running 4K games anyway

 

[fehu]

I hope that next gen will be 4k.
I know that it's a moving target, but current gen already does.

 

[Kaotik]

I hope that next gen will be 4k.
I know that it's a moving target, but current gen already does.

Oh right, this was console thread, was thinking PC APUs there

 

[rntongo]

I hope that next gen will be 4k.
I know that it's a moving target, but current gen already does.

Same dont need 8k madness yet. Give me a 4k machine that has a 30fps mode and 60-120 fps performance mode. Its clear now the biggest changes are going to be related to hw acceleration for RT and upscaling. As well one thing that turned out not to be entirely true was that the CPU wouldnt be a bottleneck this gen. So that should receive a major upgrade

 

[fehu]

In any system, there will be a bottleneck at some point (memory at all points), maybe just because other components are performing better at that task.
This time the CPUs were pretty hefty tho.
If you go from zen2 to zen4 you get about 50% more performance on average, going to zen6 with increased speed will get you what? less than 100% more?
Sounds like a lot, but other components will make an even bigger jump.

 

[QPlayer]

All games on next-gen consoles will probably run at 60/120 FPS. This is thanks to modern advanced frame generation techniques. Techniques such as the newer lossless scaling or FSR3.1 + optiscaler can turn the native 30-40 FPS into a stable 60 FPS or even better with minimal input lag differences. For singleplayer games, similar techniques will be essential on the next consoles.

 

[Seanspeed]

I hope that next gen will be 4k.
I know that it's a moving target, but current gen already does.

Reconstruction is already common today and it will be absolutely standard in the future(for demanding games).

Anything else is a waste of GPU horsepower. Reconstruction is simply too good to waste a ton of processing power on pushing extra resolution when AI can do all that extra work for you for very little cost.

 

[rntongo]

Reconstruction is already common today and it will be absolutely standard in the future(for demanding games).

Anything else is a waste of GPU horsepower. Reconstruction is simply too good to waste a ton of processing power on pushing extra resolution when AI can do all that extra work for you for very little cost.

At some point though native will be 4K which I think was part of their argument. But unless there's efforts to push 8K gaming, next gen likely will be another 4k gen with hardware accelerated AI upscaling playing a huge role. Possibly 8k with certain racing games or maybe even fighting games.

 

[Davros]

Are 8k tv's going to be a thing ?

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Are 8k tv's going to be a thing ?

Yes. Whether they need to be or not, TV manufacturers will release them as something to upgrade to because they need consumers to keep buying. If the current TV is good enough and there's no need to buy another one...that's effectively the end of the world as we know it. So stuff gets more and more features and complications simply to justify having something new. Smart fridges, and cars with more electronics than space explorers, and new computers with 'AI' to warrant why you shouldn't just use your existing computer - all sorts of things people can readily live without rationalising the need to get more , make more, consume more, and keep the economic cogs turning for a few more years.

 

[QPlayer]

Are 8k tv's going to be a thing ?

No. 8K TVs have failed on the market, almost no one buys them. Some manufacturers have already removed them from their portfolio.

 

[rntongo]

Are 8k tv's going to be a thing ?

My guess is 10 years from now. The issue is with storage for 8k content. Recording an 8k video is quite cost prohibitive in terms of the storage cost, and the follow on effects of that.

 

[QPlayer]

My guess is 10 years from now. The issue is with storage for 8k content. Recording an 8k video is quite cost prohibitive in terms of the storage cost, and the follow on effects of that.

The problem is not only the lack of available content, but also the fact that people do not see the difference between high-quality 4K and 8K. This is a natural phenomenon, because according to surveys, a picture size of about 80 inches is needed to see more detail above 4K from a normal viewing distance. Seriously, when will the 80 inch + TV size become mainstream?! This is still years away, and traditional fixed-screen solutions may not even be up to the task due to the complexity of the TV size.

Not to mention that this is not the direction of the game industry either. See, most PC gamers still only play on 1440p monitors, that's the trend.