YPbPr + next gen consoles

[PC-Engine]

If your equipment does not recognize HDCP flags then you will simply see the movie in 480P resolution.

Has this been confirmed? If yes, will the 480p still output through HDMI?

 

[DuckThor Evil]

If your equipment does not recognize HDCP flags then you will simply see the movie in 480P resolution.

Has this been confirmed? If yes, will the 480p still output through HDMI?

HDMI has built in HDCP, so if your tv and dvd-player has HDMI, you don't get any problems, but as for DVI I disagree with the above, you don't get any picture out of DVI if your player supports HDCP, but your tv doesnt'

 

[London Geezer]

If your equipment does not recognize HDCP flags then you will simply see the movie in 480P resolution.

Has this been confirmed? If yes, will the 480p still output through HDMI?

Pretty sure.

 

[PC-Engine]

If your equipment does not recognize HDCP flags then you will simply see the movie in 480P resolution.

Has this been confirmed? If yes, will the 480p still output through HDMI?

Pretty sure.

That it will output a digital stream at 480p without HDCP? If that's the case then how come current 480p->1080i upconverting DVD players need HDMI with HDCP?

 

[DuckThor Evil]

If your equipment does not recognize HDCP flags then you will simply see the movie in 480P resolution.

Has this been confirmed? If yes, will the 480p still output through HDMI?

Pretty sure.

That it will output a digital stream at 480p without HDCP? If that's the case then how come current 480p->1080i upconverting DVD players need HDMI with HDCP?

HDMI has built in HDCP, you can't get one without the other!, there are players with DVI or component inputs that upscales without HDCP.

 

[London Geezer]

If your equipment does not recognize HDCP flags then you will simply see the movie in 480P resolution.

Has this been confirmed? If yes, will the 480p still output through HDMI?

Pretty sure.

That it will output a digital stream at 480p without HDCP? If that's the case then how come current 480p->1080i upconverting DVD players need HDMI with HDCP?

Well as far as i understand it, HDMI precludes HDCP, so if u're plugged in the TV with HDMI, u'll get HD resolutions. You will also get HD res if you plugged into a DVI-with-HDCP TV (there are cables that have an HDMI plug on one side and a DVI-with-HDCP on the other, since the 2 interfaces are pretty much the same thing apart from sound).

BUT, if you're plugged into your TV through component or DVI-without-HDCP, you'll only get 480p and not a complete lack of signal.

 

[DuckThor Evil]

BUT, if you're plugged into your TV through component or DVI-without-HDCP, you'll only get 480p and not a complete lack of signal.

Facts

-If your tv supports hdcp it accepts everything, even if you buy chinese dvd-player that doesn't have hdcp, but shows 720p from component or DVI, it will show on that tv.

-If your dvd-player has hdcp, but your display doesn't, you get 480p, but not anything better.

So basically if your display supports hdcp you don't get any problems, but if it doesn't you need dvd-player that doesn't have hdcp, as for the next-gen consoles it is probable that PS3 will give high-res output in movies only in hdmi, so you need HDCP display for it, until somebody manages to hack it. It will be interesting to see whether PS3 supports 720p from component output.

 

[London Geezer]

BUT, if you're plugged into your TV through component or DVI-without-HDCP, you'll only get 480p and not a complete lack of signal.

Facts

-If your tv supports hdcp it accepts everything, even if you buy chinese dvd-player that doesn't have hdcp, but shows 720p from component or DVI, it will show on that tv.

-If your dvd-player has hdcp, but your display doesn't, you get 480p, but not anything better.

So basically if your display supports hdcp you don't get any problems, but if it doesn't you need dvd-player that doesn't have hdcp, as for the next-gen consoles it is probable that PS3 will give high-res output in movies only in hdmi, so you need HDCP display for it, until somebody manages to hack it. It will be interesting to see whether PS3 supports 720p from component output.

PS3 will likely only support HD res through anything but HDMI only for games, which obviously don't need HDCP - as far as we know.

HD playback of movies, on the other hand, i'm confident that it will only work through HDMI (or DVI with HDCP). Hacks aside obviously.

 

[DuckThor Evil]

HD playback of movies, on the other hand, i'm confident that it will only work through HDMI (or DVI with HDCP). Hacks aside obviously.

Yes I was thinking the same, and if component out can show high res in games, it's possible that it makes it easier to hack it to work on movies also, if not then it's whole different ball game.

 

[London Geezer]

HD playback of movies, on the other hand, i'm confident that it will only work through HDMI (or DVI with HDCP). Hacks aside obviously.

Yes I was thinking the same, and if component out can show high res in games, it's possible that it makes it easier to hack it to work on movies also, if not then it's whole different ball game.

If Linux kits for PS3 are to be as openly available as Sony/IBM say, i'm sure it will take about 7.43 seconds till we get all sorts of hacks, like how to get HD movie playback through freaking bluetooth.

 

[oli2]

I was looking for informations about this and found that (which is pretty interesting to me) :
http://www.siliconimage.com/docs/Press_PDFs/Final2.CompotechArticle.pdf

First it is interesting to see that Sony is one of the seven first members of the hdmi consortium.

Second, HDCP controller is part of the hdmi output, along with the TSMC chip in all actual implementations. On another matter, we know that HDCP chip are not always included on DVI input or output.

It seems clear that we won't see any HDCP controller inside or available to component output.

But i see no reason why a hack would not be capable to permit a 720p/1080i/1080p signal (without HDCP) to be send to the component output.

 

[London Geezer]

I was looking for informations about this and found that (which is pretty interesting to me) :
http://www.siliconimage.com/docs/Press_PDFs/Final2.CompotechArticle.pdf

First it is interesting to see that Sony is one of the seven first members of the hdmi consortium.

Second, HDCP controller is part of the hdmi output, along with the TSMC chip in all actual implementations. On another matter, we know that HDCP chip are not always included on DVI input or output.

It seems clear that we won't see any HDCP controller inside or available to component output.

But i see no reason why a hack would not be capable to permit a 720p/1080i/1080p signal (without HDCP) to be send to the component output.

As far as i understand it, the reason HDCP is on HDMI and sometimes on DVI is because HDCP works on a digital signal. Component is analog.

 

[DuckThor Evil]

But i see no reason why a hack would not be capable to permit a 720p/1080i/1080p signal (without HDCP) to be send to the component output.

Well if the HD signal is not even transferred to the component imput, it's hard to do anything about it, kind of like if your car is front wheel drive and then you want to "hack it" to be 4WD.

 

[oli2]

As far as i understand it, the reason HDCP is on HDMI and sometimes on DVI is because HDCP works on a digital signal. Component is analog.

Agreed, i did not make that enough clear.
My purpose was to insist that HDCP encryption was in the "very last treatment of the chain" and definitely linked to numeric output.

 

[oli2]

Well if the HD signal is not even transferred to the component imput, it's hard to do anything about it, kind of like if your car is front wheel drive and then you want to "hack it" to be 4WD.

The fact is we don't know where the HD video signal comes from for HDMI and /or Component ... It may be the same source or differents ones (in case you could be right)

 

[Mendel]

So basically, if I buy some kind of set top box which has hdmi input, and connect it to my tv with ypbpr, I will get only 480p? that sucks.

And any kind of media pc somewhere in the middle won't help either?

 

[London Geezer]

So basically, if I buy some kind of set top box which has hdmi input, and connect it to my tv with ypbpr, I will get only 480p? that sucks.

And any kind of media pc somewhere in the middle won't help either?

Set top box?

Not sure what u mean, but basically, ALL HD movies, be it HDDVD or BlueRay or whatever, WILL have HDCP. Therefore all HDDVD or BlueRay players will have HDMI and/or DVI-with-HDCP. Same for PC playback. If your TV doesn't support it, you'll get 480p. End of story.

If you don't like it, hack it.

 

[Mendel]

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/8862/Xbox-360-QWERTY-Keyboard-Revealed/

there is an actual picture of the xbox 360 ypbpr cables. After seeing that I felt confident enough to preorder the console.

 

[PG2G]

Hehe, even your PC monitor is going to require HDMI/HDCP to watch Bluray/HDCP movies. Just get used to it, no HDCP = no HD movies.

 

[MoeStooge]

Wow. Nobody has even bothered to mention the DRM implementations for Bluray.

HDCP doesn't bother me. The screw-the-consumer DRM stuff does.