YPbPr + next gen consoles

[Mendel]

so I was wondering if there was any info on next gen consoles having the option for YPbPr component video out for 720p/1080i signals.

YPbPr being the only input format in my HDTV which accepts HD resolutions. (I have managed to find ypbpr out cables for all current 3 consoles)

I only heard of these mysterious "hdmi" outputs on the new consoles so far, what are they? I'm a bit worried if I will have to change tv or buy some expensive box to convert from one cable type to another.

 

[London Geezer]

so I was wondering if there was any info on next gen consoles having the option for YPbPr component video out for 720p/1080i signals.

YPbPr being the only input format in my HDTV which accepts HD resolutions. (I have managed to find ypbpr out cables for all current 3 consoles)

I only heard of these mysterious "hdmi" outputs on the new consoles so far, what are they? I'm a bit worried if I will have to change tv or buy some expensive box to convert from one cable type to another.

Both PS3 and X360 will surely support component. So you'll be ok.

HDMI is a new interface which will become very important in the future (think VGA or SCART).

Not sure about Finland but here in the UK HDMI will be the only way to get SKY's HD broadcasts - because of the HD Copy Protection included in the interface.

So here in the UK everyone buying an HDTV should really make sure the set has either HDMI or DVI with copy protection.

 

[MfA]

Though you can probably forget about HDTV Blueray playback over component out.

 

[London Geezer]

Though you can probably forget about HDTV Blueray playback over component out.

Yep. Any HDCP material won't work. Though i was thinking, how hard can it be to make an adapter or something to allow HDCP material to go through component? Cause as it stands, there are millions of non-HDCP HDTVs around and people won't be changing their HDTVs soon, having just invested in one, which most times costs a lot of money.

 

[MfA]

You'd have to crack the encryption, but that is probably not a huge deal in this case.

 

[London Geezer]

You'd have to crack the encryption, but that is probably not a huge deal in this case.

That's the answer i needed.

 

[DuckThor Evil]

You'd have to crack the encryption, but that is probably not a huge deal in this case.

That's the answer i needed.

Well I don't think that its even possible to get high-def hdcp encrypted material out from any other input than DVI or HDMI. The signal is not transmitted to the component out, you would have to make some modifications to the innerparts, and I have the feeling that might be quite complicated. This is not hard fact though...

 

[Simon F]

You'd have to crack the encryption, but that is probably not a huge deal in this case.

You got me curious, so I had to go and have a look:
Description of algorithm:

Claim on security weakness(?)

 

[blakjedi]

Though you can probably forget about HDTV Blueray playback over component out.

Run it through an HTPC and convert it to any signal you choose.

 

[London Geezer]

Though you can probably forget about HDTV Blueray playback over component out.

Run it through an HTPC and convert it to any signal you choose.

Practical... Err....

 

[Frank]

You'd have to crack the encryption, but that is probably not a huge deal in this case.

You got me curious, so I had to go and have a look:
Description of algorithm:

Claim on security weakness(?)

It seems to rely on a general master key...

Who thought of that? Sure, easy for the producers, but that key WILL leak sooner or later.

 

[orfanotna]

"Though you can probably forget about HDTV Blueray playback over component out."

Why's that? I thought the whole deal about HTCP etc was that you could copy stuff with no loss in quality over unencrypted DVI. Why wouldn't you be able to play blu-ray over component? Are they really that stupid as to only allow HDMI playback? If they are, we can probably forget about fast adoption of blu-ray..

On an unrelated noted, they need to change that name. It's just too easy to make fun of. I can imagine it, posts like "OMG BLURray sucsk LOL!!!1" everywhere..

 

[Frank]

"Though you can probably forget about HDTV Blueray playback over component out."

Why's that? I thought the whole deal about HTCP etc was that you could copy stuff with no loss in quality over unencrypted DVI. Why wouldn't you be able to play blu-ray over component? Are they really that stupid as to only allow HDMI playback? If they are, we can probably forget about fast adoption of blu-ray..

Copy protection. If they use a "generic" signal somewhere between any two devices, you could capture it.

 

[scooby_dooby]

X360 comes packaged with component outputs, and doesn't even support DVI or HDMI. So you're set there.

No word on what PS3 supports out of the box with cabling.

From everything I've read, the digital outputs are great "in theory" but there is almost no improvment to the eye vs. a good set of components. Especially on CRT sets.

That's just what I've read.

 

[scooby_dooby]

Bluray only supports HDMI or DVI??

THat can't be right, aren't those cables like $100??

I'm never paying $100 for a freakin digital cable in my life.

 

[jvd]

I dunno about hdmi but dvi cables are cheap , i got one for 30$ they are standard on most lcd monitors

 

[Sean*O]

If they seriously plan to exclude HD playback of Blu-Ray from the current standard component HD (Y,Pb,Pr), then Blu-Ray (and HD-DVD too if they follow the same plan) is DOA.

 

[scooby_dooby]

ya, it will be a battle with the movie companies against the consumer.

THe movie companies want the digital outputs for their embedded copyright protection, consumers want to NOT buy another expensive cable or even worse a new TV set, so...

I really don't see blu-ray getting big, HD-DVD either, for movies. I think they'll start out as storage, HD-DVD will be cheaper and quicker to become available so more people will begin using HD-DVD burners.

Then, once it's fairly established as the next-gen storage system it will move into movie's. About the time when 1080p tv's and HDTV's as a whole really begin to become mainstream.

 

[oli2]

From everything I've read, the digital outputs are great "in theory" but there is almost no improvment to the eye vs. a good set of components.

Completely false ...
Very often, the people saying that are those who don't have/use numeric connection. Those (like me on PC to PTAE-700 projector connection) who have the luck to be able to use it are often seeing huge improvements.
If you want to make sure, simply make the test yourself.

By the way, HDCP over DVI/HDMI is mandatory from the DVD consortium for HD content, and you won't have HDCP over analog connection, be it VGA, Component or whatever (again, this is "legal" issue as i don't see why it won't be impossible to implement it on analog connection)

 

[scooby_dooby]

From everything I've read, the digital outputs are great "in theory" but there is almost no improvment to the eye vs. a good set of components.

Completely false ...
Very often, the people saying that are those who don't have/use numeric connection. Those (like me on PC to PTAE-700 projector connection) who have the luck to be able to use it are often seeing huge improvements.
If you want to make sure, simply make the test yourself.

I said "especially for CRT TV's"

What does that have to do with CRT TV sets? Have you tried the test on a CRT set yourself?

Everyone I've talked to who has a CRT set said they noticed no difference at all when switching to Digital connections.