Xenos´ tech demo

[jvd]

In all fairness, that's Microsoft's fault for not giving their developers hardware sooner. If they have supposedly had the silicon done for the CPU and GPU, they should have worked on getting it out sooner. I hope they don't have this problem come launch time or else there's going to be a noticeable lack of supply to go with the demand.

sorry whree are you going with this ? Most developers for sony don't have cell chips or rsx chips

 

[Geeforcer]

In all fairness, that's Microsoft's fault for not giving their developers hardware sooner. If they have supposedly had the silicon done for the CPU and GPU, they should have worked on getting it out sooner. I hope they don't have this problem come launch time or else there's going to be a noticeable lack of supply to go with the demand.

sorry whree are you going with this ? Most developers for sony don't have cell chips or rsx chips

Is it at all possible to discuss the anything regarding Xbox without "Oh, but Sony" getting into it? BTW, when does X360 launch? When does PS3 launch?

 

[jvd]

In all fairness, that's Microsoft's fault for not giving their developers hardware sooner. If they have supposedly had the silicon done for the CPU and GPU, they should have worked on getting it out sooner. I hope they don't have this problem come launch time or else there's going to be a noticeable lack of supply to go with the demand.

sorry whree are you going with this ? Most developers for sony don't have cell chips or rsx chips

Is it at all possible to discuss the anything regarding Xbox without "Oh, but Sony" getting into it? BTW, when does X360 launch? When does PS3 launch?

is it possble for you to read a thread with out jumping on me for discusing what the thread is discusing ?

 

[Mordecaii]

Just stating that it really is impressive what they have done with the hardware they were given... I'm not bashing MS, only saying that the devs didn't have the hardware, and IMO MS should have gotten it to them way before now since they'll only have a few months to optimize the game for the real hardware, and since it seems like there are some real customizations on the 360, they will probably need more time than that. Especially since they'll have to deal with an extra processor with 2 more threads...

 

[jvd]

Mordecaii looking at hte history of consoles you can see that the first generation of titles (except mario 64 ) are never optimized for the console and it takes years for that to happen .


What ms needs to do is make good games with graphics that are good looking and nothing more . THe time frame is the same as it was on the xbox for when things were shipped and the playable games behind closed doors are breath taking and don't forget that media people were able to play gow , pdz , kamino (sp? ) , doa4 and a few others behind closed doors and were blown away with them

 

[Geeforcer]

In all fairness, that's Microsoft's fault for not giving their developers hardware sooner. If they have supposedly had the silicon done for the CPU and GPU, they should have worked on getting it out sooner. I hope they don't have this problem come launch time or else there's going to be a noticeable lack of supply to go with the demand.

sorry whree are you going with this ? Most developers for sony don't have cell chips or rsx chips

Is it at all possible to discuss the anything regarding Xbox without "Oh, but Sony" getting into it? BTW, when does X360 launch? When does PS3 launch?

is it possble for you to read a thread with out jumping on me for discusing what the thread is discusing ?

What exactly IS this thread discussing, after you derailed it half-way through by taking shots at Sony of the blue?

 

[jvd]

if you read it then you will see what its discussing . If you want to just follow me and attack me then you are wasting your time

 

[Geeforcer]

As I recall, the question was why didn't MS show the Ruby demo to showcase the power of R500. IMO, that would have been time better spent then extolling the virtues of VelocityGirl.

 

[MechanizedDeath]

So...why haven't they had the engine up and running in better shape on the X360 given more time? I'm not gonna call you biased, but Jesus jvd, if you can't see how you twist things to suit your argument, then you're green-tinted glasses have completely blurred your vision. Come on...say one nice thing about the PS3. Just one. I promise you won't melt away. You punched in for damage control last Thursday evening, and haven't punched out yet. MS owes you some serious overtime pay, jvd. PEACE.

Dude stop making things up .

I never once said gow looks better than unreal 2k7

Both are using the same engine and both have the same amount of time for development for them . gow was running on g5s with x800 video cards and the unreal 2k7 was on the cell chip with 6800ultras. The both looked exactly the same .

I think you need to stop jumping on people because they don't bow down to sony

Am talking in regard to you comments about how they had UT up and running so fast b/c it was 6800 SLI when in reality, the use of an RSX shouldn't make much of a difference. You refuse to attribute it to an easy-to-code to Cell. Or anything that could possibly be viewed as positive to Sony. You don't have to bow to them. I don't bow to them (PS1 and PS2 are the only good things they've done until they drop the price on the PSP). But you are just friggin impossible. Do you even read your own posts? PEACE.

 

[jvd]

Am talking in regard to you comments about how they had UT up and running so fast b/c it was 6800 SLI when in reality, the use of an RSX shouldn't make much of a difference. You refuse to attribute it to an easy-to-code to Cell. Or anything that could possibly be viewed as positive to Sony. You don't have to bow to them. I don't bow to them (PS1 and PS2 are the only good things they've done until they drop the price on the PSP). But you are just friggin impossible. Do you even read your own posts? PEACE.

No in reality the reason why they were able to display it dispite no hardware is becaues it was on dual 6800ultras which the engine had been designed to use . It wasn't a quick 2 months that the demo was made in . Which is what i was talking about . They had 2 months to get the code running on the cell chip . The code was already running on the 6800s and that is why it was able to look so good in 2 months .


IF you read the posts you will see that your responses make no sense and are only trying to start a flame war .

 

[pc999]

Well if UT2k7 will be played in PC then it should run in todays ~15-20Gflops CPUs, that is 1/10 of Cell power.That thingh should be that dificullte to programe that taking 1/10 arent easy (not considering that they are already working with Power ISA).

I am not saing hat it is hard to programe, just that this work (1/10) may not be that big.

 

[MechanizedDeath]

No in reality the reason why they were able to display it dispite no hardware is becaues it was on dual 6800ultras which the engine had been designed to use . It wasn't a quick 2 months that the demo was made in . Which is what i was talking about . They had 2 months to get the code running on the cell chip . The code was already running on the 6800s and that is why it was able to look so good in 2 months .


IF you read the posts you will see that your responses make no sense and are only trying to start a flame war .

HA! So we should believe you over Tim Sweeney? I have seen and heard it all now. I'm done with this thread. I don't know how you're a mod when all you do is troll Sony threads. PEACE.

EDIT: And I'm well aware that this isn't a Sony thread, but ffs.

 

[jvd]

believe tim sweeny with what . Developers all over the place even the developers of all mighty killzone have said that they don't have rsx chips


It was running on the development kits which are now a cell + 6800ultra set up (which the kill zone team still doesn't seem to have the new kits )

What is so hard to understand and why must you constantly troll my posts when you don't bother to read any thing or make any sense

 

[Geeforcer]

Sooo, getting the thread back on topic.

Thoughts on the demo: I thought it looked pretty good considering the limited time they had to port it. I am not sure why MS didn't show it, although it’s very possible that they didn't even know about it, or didn't feel like showing demos and ATI simply decided to promote their hardware (both the R500 and R520) on their own time.

 

[jvd]

Sooo, getting the thread back on topic.

Thoughts on the demo: I thought it looked pretty good considering the limited time they had to port it. I am not sure why MS didn't show it, although it’s very possible that they didn't even know about it, or didn't feel like showing demos and ATI simply decided to promote their hardware (both the R500 and R520) on their own time.

It would have been out of place in thier show .

They would have had that one tech demo and then all games / representations of games (gotham)

 

[DuckThor Evil]

No in reality the reason why they were able to display it dispite no hardware is becaues it was on dual 6800ultras which the engine had been designed to use . It wasn't a quick 2 months that the demo was made in . Which is what i was talking about . They had 2 months to get the code running on the cell chip . The code was already running on the 6800s and that is why it was able to look so good in 2 months .


IF you read the posts you will see that your responses make no sense and are only trying to start a flame war .

HA! So we should believe you over Tim Sweeney? I have seen and heard it all now. I'm done with this thread. I don't know how you're a mod when all you do is troll Sony threads. PEACE.

EDIT: And I'm well aware that this isn't a Sony thread, but ffs.

I think jvd's comment made sense, what's the problem?...

 

[Geeforcer]

It would have been out of place in thier show .

They would have had that one tech demo and then all games / representations of games (gotham)

Maybe. I still think it would have been better investment of time then some of their technobubble during the presentation.

 

[jvd]

It would have been out of place in thier show .

They would have had that one tech demo and then all games / representations of games (gotham)

Maybe. I still think it would have been better investment of time then some of their technobubble during the presentation.

well alot of thier presentation focused on live and what it would mean to games which to me is important . I dunno though diffrent people want diffrent things . To me i know enough about hte hardware to know the games will be impressive looking on final hardware . But i want to know what the platform is going to bring me that other platforms wont bring or wont bring as well and I think microsoft answered that with a good plan and demo of what live is and will be in the future .

 

[Geeforcer]

Sony presentation was more technology-focused while MS was more concept-oriented. Being technology enthusiast, I preferred Sony format. I could see however that for many "normal" people MS conference would be preferable, since it actually explained what it will do for them while Sony had a lot of numbers and charts regular people don't know/care how to interpret.

 

[jvd]

Sony presentation was more technology-focused while MS was more concept-oriented. Being technology enthusiast, I preferred Sony format. I could see however that for many "normal" people MS conference would be preferable, since it actually explained what it will do for them while Sony had a lot of numbers and charts regular people don't know/care how to interpret.

Well don'tforget that sony had to show its specs . Ms already announced most of it a week before . For ms to go on and talk about the specs again would be redundant . at least in my opinion