Xbox One Slim
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Hmm you're right. In my defense, just happened to see this part of this video that misled me.
But indeed other views in the same video show they are similar in size.
http://www.icxm.net/x/xbox-one-s-smaller-than-playstation-4-by-miles.html
Ps4: 4445 cm^3
Depth 30,5 cm
Height 5.3 cm
Width 27.5
XB1s: 4444 cm^3
Depth 23.1cm
Height 6.5cm
Length 29.6cm
Ps4: 4445 cm^3
Depth 30,5 cm
Height 5.3 cm
Width 27.5
XB1s: 4444 cm^3
Depth 23.1cm
Height 6.5cm
Length 29.6cm
Nobody find it strange for MSFT not to have further bumped the CPU clocks? A tiny bump in games and a bigger one outside of games would have sure helped the system perception against the vanilla PS4, and helping against the Neo and the Scorpio while dealing with more mundane tasks than full blown games.
One thing is sort of clear now, Jaguar cores are available on 14/16nm, they might be inside the PS4 Neo running at a significantly higher clock.
Anyway that might be sortable if need be with software upgrade. The system is interesting, I could consider it if Guitar Heroes games make it to the list on backward compatible games.
One thing is sort of clear now, Jaguar cores are available on 14/16nm, they might be inside the PS4 Neo running at a significantly higher clock.
Anyway that might be sortable if need be with software upgrade. The system is interesting, I could consider it if Guitar Heroes games make it to the list on backward compatible games.
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Maybe CPU bumps lead to game bugs?
This is flawed. The PS4 is slanted, the length of each side is also 27.5 cm like the width so the actual volume would be lower than that. The sides of the PS4 are a parallelogram with a base of 27.5 cm and height of 5.3 cm.
Volume of PS4: 27.5 * 27.5 * 5.3 = 4008 cm^3
Yeah, but it's only for a basic comparison. Plus the volume occupied in a home entertainment centre is going to be the bounding box volume. The important point is there's not much in it.
I didn't watch the entire DF video, but I watched segments of the games. Project cars seemed to sustain about 2 fps higher, consistently. It looked like 2-3fps higher in games that could not maintain 30fps, on average. There may have been a particular part where it was 9fps higher in a game, but I doubt it lasted long. It's not 9fps higher for any significant amount of time. I wouldn't even pay $100 for the "upgrade" to performance. The only way I'd pay is for the 4k features.
It's not. While the S is slightly taller (placed vertically) than the ps4 the ps4 is on par with the Xbox one in terms of depth.
lol
Your method is flawed. Clearly you need to use the water displacement measurement system.
Rikimaru
Veteran
Water will fill insides. Just calculate a simple triple integral.
Nice!
Random thoughts...
There are surprisingly few differences with the internal design, it's mostly the same ideology but better integrated.
That white plastic molding looks very high quality and high precision. So much that when renders were leaked I thought it was fake because the seams are so clean they are invisible.
Overly tight power supply design, I can't see where it gets it's air. The most heat sensitive components are the caps and they are squeezed flat on the mosfet heat sinks. It would need a high efficiency PS not to burn those caps. Or air is sucked from it, which would need a high static pressure, which this fan doesn't have at normal RPM. It could explain why it's not more quiet. Same fan/heatsink/pipes on a 33% lower wattage should have made this much more quiet.
All the same things that limited the size of the original still apply. DDR3 trace length, fan+heatsink height, vertical airflow design. Plastic shell over a complete shielding box. Power supply is using what was empty space in the XB1 design, and PCB is reduced from misc secondary areas, not the main area.
Speaker gone, now has a beeper? There's a place on the PCB for a speaker, must be a last minute decision, or left there as an option for special editions making star wars sounds, or whatever a Gears special edition would be (uh... a manly grunting sound?).
Still needs two riser PCB for RF, probably because they have to be outside of the shielding box.
There's that same 100+ caps under the SoC and power regulators. I wonder why they do it that way. Maybe it's a more cost effective to clean up transients instead of using overly complicated VRM schemes with lots of sensing? Or related to ESRAM? Or shape?
Still not stackable, throwing it's heat onto whatever is on top of it.
Silent_Buddha
Legend
Interesting. And confirmation of my speculation that the increased CPU performance of the XBO was why the Paris level of Hitman was 9% faster than the competing console.
Likewise with Fallout 4. Another situation where the XBO had an unexpected advantage in some situations over its competition.
I mainly make note of that because there's an interesting opportunity here for DF (or other tech sites) to determine when/if a game is more or less CPU bound versus GPU bound on console as the XBO-S is in a unique situation in the console world of having exactly the same CPU speed as its predecessor while having a GPU speed advantage. As well maintaining basically the exact same architecture.
Rather than speculate on whether a game is particularly CPU dependent or not, you can now actually test to see if that is potentially the case.
Regards,
SB
At E3 Major Nelson & Carl Ledbetter(Executive Creative Director, Microsoft Devices Group) talked about the injection molding in their first official unboxing. Here's some more articles with discussion with Carl Ledbetter & the injection molding process...
http://www.fastcodesign.com/3062413/microsoft-remedies-past-mistakes-in-new-xbox-one-s
http://www.wired.co.uk/article/xbox-one-s-design-secrets
Tommy McClain
Silent_Buddha
Legend
That PSU is indeed quite tightly packed, but the airflow is relatively straight forward. Air is drawn in from the back and right side (when looking at the front of the XBO-S) and exhausted into the case. It must be a high efficiency design. There is opportunity to increase air intake at the rear of the device but they opted instead to further limit the air intake from the rear of the machine.
I do find it curious that the PSU heat sinks and components are facing downwards rather than upwards, however. Although I suppose that makes some sense as the airflow will be strongest at the top of the unit where the PCB and components are, although that also happens to be the most crowded area for the air to flow through.
The design also puts the air intake from the side of the case directly onto some of the copper coils which then vents towards the front of the case without impacting the rest of the PSU. The caps at the other end of the PSU don't appear to get any direct airflow, however. You can see that the heat sink next to them is deliberately designed to prevent any incoming air from the rear from going to them. Instead they just vent their heat out of the nearest edges.
It's a pretty clean design for a passively cooled PSU, albeit pretty crowded. Airflow is pretty clean and straight forward.
Additionally unlike traditional PSU's that exhaust air out of the case and thus use already heated air to cool the PSU, the XBO-S instead uses the coolest air possible to cool the PSU by drawing clean air over the PSU.
That has a potential drawback of decreasing the cooling efficiency of the SOC heatsink, but it's over-engineered anyway and should be more than capable of handling the increased heat. Especially when you consider the 16 nm SOC requires less cooling than the SOC in the original XBO.
Regards,
SB
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Just put it at the top of the stack. Anything you'd put on that high-gloss plastic case would scuff the finish anyhow, so why would you stack stuff on it?
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