XBox One, PS4, DRM, and You

[expletive]

I bought a huge amount of low cost DD games, but my favorite AAA games are on disc. Hey, I also rent films, and I'm addicted to netflix. But my favorite films are purchased in bluray.

But why only favorite AAA games on disc? i'd think that AAA games you want to keep would be better served on digital since you can play them on demand and you have no need to trade them in (since they're your favorite).

I understand Blu-rays, they're higher quality than anything you can download. I spent a few years building a home theater in my basement and theres noticeable difference in audio/video quality.

 

[MrFox]

But why only favorite AAA games on disc? i'd think that AAA games you want to keep would be better served on digital since you can play them on demand and you have no need to trade them in (since they're your favorite).

I understand Blu-rays, they're higher quality than anything you can download. I spent a few years building a home theater in my basement and theres noticeable difference in audio/video quality.

DD will always be DRM'd one way or the other, it's either locked to the hardware, or locked to an online server auth. It's invariably linked to the goodwill of a company for the long term. How long will they let me redownload it when my HDD breaks? What about their auth server if they go bankrupt or decide to exit the gaming business?

No matter what platform it's on, I like the safety that in 10+ years I am guaranteed to still be able to play it and share it. A disc can also be bought off ebay if I break or lose mine. The game will always exist because they will have sold millions. It will work on any console I can find on ebay if mine breaks.

Just like my gamecube, which I still play many games, I don't care if Nintendo goes bankrupt, or decides to move toward tablet games... my gamecube games will continue to work. I have a pattern of not playing a games for years until I forget about it, and revisit it 10 years later in the context of how the industry evolved, and how impactful an old game have been.

 

[upnorthsox]

But why only favorite AAA games on disc? i'd think that AAA games you want to keep would be better served on digital since you can play them on demand and you have no need to trade them in (since they're your favorite).

I understand Blu-rays, they're higher quality than anything you can download. I spent a few years building a home theater in my basement and theres noticeable difference in audio/video quality.

Because that's his choice, which was also his point.

 

[babybumb]

That 1+1 sharing feature would almost cut the sales of multiplayer games like COD/BF to half on Xbox One with much easier implementation than PSN gamesharing.

There is just no way. Expect publishers to do this http://www.1up.com/news/warhawk-limits-game-sharing-psn

The Warhawk PSN download is tied to the account that purchased it. Consequently, Warhawk can be downloaded onto five different machines, but it must be played with the original account and each download must happen 24 hours after the last one.

 

[eastmen]

they could limit it to the same house /ip . So if you buy the game one other person with an xbox one in your house can play with you at a time .

 

[dragonelite]

That 1+1 sharing feature would almost cut the sales of multiplayer games like COD/BF to half on Xbox One with much easier implementation than PSN gamesharing.

There is just no way. Expect publishers to do this http://www.1up.com/news/warhawk-limits-game-sharing-psn

But doesn't microsoft covers some cost post with giving the publisher access to their Azure stuff.
So publisher dont have to keep dedicated servers or the cost post that comes with it for the x1.
Maybe get a bit of gold share.
Maybe the gold is for publisher and put into a pool that is divided between the publisher based on their library uses everything is in the cloud and they can track it.
It would make competition between publisher interesting just to get on that top stop of the live game activity ranking boards.

The X1 sounds like a trojan horse to bring gamers and others into the microsoft ecosystem. So they will leave or not go into apples and googles ecosystem.
One account one wallet to make use of the marketplace on w8, wp8 and X1, make use of their streaming services like zune pass and stuff. I dont think they see sony as a threat but google with android and apple with ios have them beaten them in the ecosystem aspect. Maybe that is also the reason they have this 3 OS setup.

 

[Npl]

But why only favorite AAA games on disc? i'd think that AAA games you want to keep would be better served on digital since you can play them on demand and you have no need to trade them in (since they're your favorite).

Define me "on demand" - the last time I checked games still have to fight for space on a HDD (no small feat given that AAA titles can be 50 Gigs) and if I really want to play one "on the flicker of a thought" there might be a lenghty download process involved and maybe some thought process which stuff has to leave in its place (currently the PS3 needs to have the space for the download and the installed game).

Thats compared to moving your but over to the TV rack and placing a disc in the drive (and in the case of PS3 denying any updates if you are impatient).

 

[Shifty Geezer]

they could limit it to the same house /ip . So if you buy the game one other person with an xbox one in your house can play with you at a time .

Honest question, is there really much demand for playing online games within the same household? I'd have thought for the same locale, the future is same-screen gaming. Using the above Warhawk example, you can play it local split-screen with several friends by keeping it on their PS3's under your account.

 

[wco81]

The PS4 will not be able let you play a single player game while in the lobby of a multiplayer game and switch between the two instantly because physical copies if games still require the disc in the system.

Did they say that PSN notifications or game requests could come through on mobile devices?

If not, they should look at writing iOS and Android apps. which do just that.

I will take the tradeoff on single-tasking games, if it means more RAM and other resources available for games.

 

[dagamer]

Define me "on demand" - the last time I checked games still have to fight for space on a HDD (no small feat given that AAA titles can be 50 Gigs) and if I really want to play one "on the flicker of a thought" there might be a lenghty download process involved and maybe some thought process which stuff has to leave in its place (currently the PS3 needs to have the space for the download and the installed game).

Thats compared to moving your but over to the TV rack and placing a disc in the drive (and in the case of PS3 denying any updates if you are impatient).

PS4 games are designed to be split up into chunks such that it you tell it "I want to play single player" and it will download those assets first, tell you your game is ready to play, then download the rest of the game in the background. The same is also true of multiplayer. So you may have to wait 10 minutes before playing, but that's a lot better than waiting an hour.

 

[mrcorbo]

Honest question, is there really much demand for playing online games within the same household? I'd have thought for the same locale, the future is same-screen gaming. Using the above Warhawk example, you can play it local split-screen with several friends by keeping it on their PS3's under your account.

Speaking for myself that's not how I prefer to play multiplayer shooters. FOV is too limited, even on my 60" in the living room. Sports games are a different matter, though. So, it depends on the game.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Do you have two XB360s?

 

[mrcorbo]

Do you have two XB360s?

No, but I've brought my 360 and my XBOX before that along with me to friends' and family's houses so that we could play multiplayer games on separate screens and two of my siblings have multi-360 households where their kids play multiplayer games together each on their own screens. I'd imagine this is fairly common.

 

[Brad Grenz]

Did they say that PSN notifications or game requests could come through on mobile devices?

Yes, they've announced iOS and Android apps for PSN for all that stuff.

 

[expletive]

No, but I've brought my 360 and my XBOX before that along with me to friends' and family's houses so that we could play multiplayer games on separate screens and two of my siblings have multi-360 households where their kids play multiplayer games together each on their own screens. I'd imagine this is fairly common.

Yep we've done this, not as much recently as the kids are getting older.

Because that's his choice, which was also his point.

You didn't understand the question.

 

[Davros]

Dno small feat given that AAA titles can be 50 Gigs) a

Really ?
the biggest game i know of is rage (about 20gb)

 

[dragonelite]

Really ?
the biggest game i know of is rage (about 20gb)

And i think this gen has enough ram to stop the prerendered/cgi cutscenes

 

[Cyan]

MS needs to spin the positives of their console. Game lending is one them.

There is an interesting article which explains why used game restrictions might not be that bad.

http://metro.co.uk/2013/06/15/why-i-wont-let-restrictions-restrict-me-​readers-feature-3841943/

Microsoft have made, for better or worse in gamers’ eyes, a console which has a much wider mainstream appeal than any before it. To me it seems selfish to insist that games be kept solely in the realm of us original gamers.

 

[MrFox]

There is an interesting article which explains why used game restrictions might not be that bad.

http://metro.co.uk/2013/06/15/why-i-wont-let-restrictions-restrict-me-​readers-feature-3841943/

For some reason this link gives me a polar bear with bling bling riding a skateboard. :neutral:

 

[Tap In]

think he meant this

must have moved