XBox One, PS4, DRM, and You

I think they tried to tell the story but they were caught in a tidal wave of noise and what ever they siad fell on deaf ears. The game sharing was up online well before E3, but saying that there's no doubts MS marketing ploys and PR have been completely disjointed and it's no one wonder the story has failed to be delivered.

 

I think the used games transfers affect more people than game sharing.

Gamestop and other used-games purveyors move a lot of money through the system by buying and selling used games. And a lot of the money and credits they give out is used to buy more games.

PR can't spin that if Xbone games can't be freely traded -- bought and sold used at any venue, not just approved ones -- as PS3 and 360 games are now.

 

MS needs to spin the positives of their console. Game lending is one them.

 

Not sure why you would say that.

With all the money in London, it's a magnet for all kinds of electronics toys. London got one of the first Apple stores, for instance.

As far as telecom infrastructure, most countries outside the US have better policies, where they foster competition, which results in better services at lower costs.

In the US, there are entrenched monopolies, which just lobby govt (i.e. bribe politicians) to protect their interests.

That is why the US fare poorly in OECD ratings for broadband infrastructure. And we pay through the nose for TV programming and DVRs and such. Also the same story with mobile networks and pricing. And health care, and ... etc.

 

Maybe, but game sharing is more than offset by the potential negative of not being able to re-sell games, abrogating the first sale doctrine.

 

I posted this in the wrong thread, thats what you get for typing two messages at once, it's over in the "why does the One have BR player.

 

Isolating their policies to digital purchases, I wouldn't have a problem with any of it.

This is bogus. The obvious thing to do here is have physical discs work exactly like that do now in the Xbox 360. You install the game but need the disc in the drive for ownership authentication. If this means excluding the game from wider sharing policies, unless the disc is in the drive, so be it.

It'll be the consumer's choice and the advantages/disadvantages are clear.

 

There is no good place to ask this, but anyway, does anyone know if there are some funny gifs made for the recent announcements? Hopefully epic stuff made by people like Sunhilegend and Demonite on neogaf, possibly including choice quotes like

I don't want to sound like a junkie looking for drugs, but I do want my fix.

 

The PS4 will not be able let you play a single player game while in the lobby of a multiplayer game and switch between the two instantly because physical copies if games still require the disc in the system.

 

They can mimic that though by providing streaming TV, if they ever consider to be competitive in that respect

 

My understanding is that the owner, and one person off their 10 family members list, can be playing any game in the shared library. This includes the same title at the same time, but it can only be the owner and one other person. I've seen this explained this way in a number of places, where have you heard differently?

 

There is absolutely no requirement that all games on the PS4 be purchased using physical media. Which means the PS4 can still allow switching between two games in the lobby as long as a game is purchased as DD.

The only "special" thing Microsoft did was force all games to be considered DD regardless of how you purchased them. In exchange for this benefit they added extra DRM. Sony on the other hand gives you two models of DRM - one that is very much like the XBox DRM for digital purchases (although you could argue it will be more restrictive because there are currently no "transfer" models announced for PS purchased DD). One that requires a physical disk. Some people like the choice, some people don't.

However technically speaking if you choose the DD DRM on both consoles, both consoles should be able to mimick any of the announced abilities of the other. Except as mentioned the overlay of television - because the PS4 does not physically have the port necessary to do it.

 

http://gimmegimmegames.com/2013/06/xbox-one-may-not-be-able-to-be-sold-used/

Next thing you know, controllers won't be able to be sold second hand because they recognize your fingerprints, and kinect 2 will do retina scans.

 

Analysts are changing their estimates based on public reception of DRM policies, and Sony also raised it's sales forecast.
http://online.wsj.com/article_email...39331615071540-lMyQjAxMTAzMDEwMTExNDEyWj.html

 

"We don't have any info" seems like a very honest answer. The games are not linked to the hardware, so there's zero incentive for MS to prevent the resale of the hardware, it's just a "client" to the online service.

 

But why after the massive outcry regarding DRM would anyone buy a game available on Disc through digital distribution on PS4?

 

This is asking why people amped up about losing choice would want to be able exercise their ability to choose.

That, and I've played enough Deus Ex to know how people tend to react to killswitches, as rare as the use of them may be.

 

That is a different question. My post was addressing a fairly simple point - it is technically possible to do the same thing on the PS4 as it is on the XBox regarding playing a single player game and switching to a multi-player when your turn comes up. It may even already exist for DD games.

However I will say that giving the consumer a choice is not a bad thing in this case. In other words, what harm is there in having both DD with DRM and discs without DRM available?

I believe the premise of the original discussion was that most of the features on the XBox could be imitated on the PS4 if they turned out to be big selling points. I don't think it will be - but it is a bit disingenuous to say it couldn't be.

 

Because the NoDRM campaign arguments were about the elimination of ownership and the danger of planned obsolescence. It was never to dictate to everybody that our preference is the only one that should exist. We argued that both choices should exist in parallel, just like it is right now with the PS3, and just like Music, Books and Films.

I bought a huge amount of low cost DD games, but my favorite AAA games are on disc. Hey, I also rent films, and I'm addicted to netflix. But my favorite films are purchased in bluray.