Xbox 360 HDMI Capable

[jvd]

not faith , just a way of how they can do this . TO me it don't matter as it will be on my component in hook up . My tivo is on my dvi-d plug

 

[Sis]

You have a lot of faith.

Anyways, I guess they really want the X360 to encourage MCE sales because if they got streaming to work, you have to buy an overpriced wifi adapter (which needs 802.11a for less interference in video streaming) and some kind of workaround to add HDMI to the X360.

Plus they're holding out against Blu-Ray just because it doesn't fit into their MCE and Vista plans as well as HD-DVD, namely because of BD-J instead of iHD.

I'm kind of lost in this post. The Xbox 360's lack of digital out spurs MCE sales because of streaming, but you have to buy an overpriced wifi adapter because it requires 802.11a? And then there's some kind of point about MS holding out against Blu-ray. What are they holding out for exactly?

Sorry, I'm just not getting how your post relates to the Xbox 360's lack of HDMI connector...

.Sis

 

[wco81]

There was a Wired article where they said MS hopes the X360, besides making a profit on its own, will stimulate MCE PC adoption because it has an MCE Extender built in.

So you can stream music, photos and SD video to it but if you want to stream HD video, you need HDMI output. Also, MS has said 802.11a works better for streaming because of less interference.

Finally, streaming would be the one way for the X360 to support HD movies. Again, fitting in with their strategy of stimulating MCE sales.

Their hopes for MCE, as an entree into the living room, is based on things like MMC and iHD, or reasons for people to put a PC into a living room and make it the center of their AV system.

So Blu-Ray doesn't fit this strategy as nicely. For one thing, they don't want to support Java in Vista or MCE.

 

[expletive]

There was a Wired article where they said MS hopes the X360, besides making a profit on its own, will stimulate MCE PC adoption because it has an MCE Extender built in.

So you can stream music, photos and SD video to it but if you want to stream HD video, you need HDMI output. Also, MS has said 802.11a works better for streaming because of less interference.

Finally, streaming would be the one way for the X360 to support HD movies. Again, fitting in with their strategy of stimulating MCE sales.

Their hopes for MCE, as an entree into the living room, is based on things like MMC and iHD, or reasons for people to put a PC into a living room and make it the center of their AV system.

So Blu-Ray doesn't fit this strategy as nicely. For one thing, they don't want to support Java in Vista or MCE.

To be clear, you dont need HDMI to stream OTA HD broadcasts and possibly not even for movies youve recorded off of premium High Def cable channels. You'll only need it to display DRM'd HD content.

EDIT:Also, a wired network is also an option for trouble free HD streaming.

 

[jvd]

To be clear, you dont need HDMI to stream OTA HD broadcasts and possibly not even for movies youve recorded off of premium High Def cable channels. You'll only need it to display DRM'd HD content.

EDIT:Also, a wired network is also an option for trouble free HD streaming.

so here is my question .

Why can't drm be changed to legaly support streaming ?

 

[Guden Oden]

Following your logic, they will never release a keyboard, mouse, camera, 40GB HD, or bigger memory cards.

There are lots of plausible reasons for a delay:

Your reasons are perhaps more plausible to you than other people...

a) maybe the cable is still undergoing QA?

For how long exactly does a silly cable need to undergo QA? Xenos, a chipset of 200+ M trannies was finished, verified and done what, ten months ago? This is a plausible reason? REALLY, come on.

b) maybe they feel that they could confuse ths customer with so many connectors available at launch

"Confuse", how? They don't feel customers would get "confused" by a VGA cable, despite it not being a traditional hookup for AV equipment. This isn't a very plausible reason either.

c) maybe they prioritized their accessories for launch and DVI cable didn't make the cut

Yet the very niche VGA cable did. Plausible indeed, mm-hmm!

MS's goal to compete with BR has always been to allow streaming HD-DVD

Really? As stated where?

Besides, MS has already decided in their infinite wisdom people owning XP needs to re-purchase the SAME OS all over again and get media center edition in order to stream any kind of video. You foresee a lot of people forking out another hundred, hundred fifty bucks (or more) for another copy of a product they already own, with the addition of a graphical media front-end and a few codecs? I don't.

MS is going bananas right now with pricing of peripherals and other stuff, requiring MC edition for video is just another example of that. There isn't even a version of MC available in swedish to my knowledge (or nobody's friggin selling it), and I'm not going to pay for an english version that's for sure.

In addition, holmdahl promised it will come, and numerous stores are already listing it in their inventories. Does this really deserve any more discussion?

Didn't say WHEN it would come. That's why we're discussing it; if it doesn't come until a hypothetical hardware redesign with HD optical drive, well, then technically MS fulfilled its word.

 

[Guden Oden]

For one thing, they don't want to support Java in Vista or MCE.

Last time MS tried to slither out of supporting java, the US justice department sued the company. I'd expect the same thing to happen again if they try it a second time...

 

[jvd]

For how long exactly does a silly cable need to undergo QA? Xenos, a chipset of 200+ M trannies was finished, verified and done what, ten months ago? This is a plausible reason? REALLY, come on.

Well good luck proving that the xenos and this cable went into qa at the same time .

Ms may not have started working on the cable till people started asking about it at e3 while the xenos was in developement for much longer.

Yet the very niche VGA cable did. Plausible indeed, mm-hmm!

it may be niche for consoles but it is a staple of pcs and so i'm going to guess that the cable was much easier . Esp much easier than what we've all sugjested doing .

also more people have monitors capable of 720p through vga than hdtvs with hdmi

Honestly i can't see why we are all fighting about this .

If the cable comes it comes then we get drm hd signals . If it doesn't then we don't .

Oh well play games on your console or if steaming hd video is that important buy a ps3 or change your x360 to a hdmi capable version if one comes out

 

[BTOA]

hdmi cable with an output chip in it and when its plug in it simply by passes the original output chip ?

Did people miss jvd's question?

Regular HDMI cables at the stores can be had for about $40+, but what jvd is suggesting that MS adds extra component into the output cable to allow a digital signal for HDMI. Meaning, added cost. $100 sounds a lot, so maybe I should of said $70-100 then.

In the end, Xbox 360 owners loses on HDMI connection, not MS.

 

[jvd]

yea they miss it , i don't see 70$ . I'm thinking 50-60$

 

[wco81]

yea they miss it , i don't see 70$ . I'm thinking 50-60$

At that price, you might as well wait a few months for cheap Chinese HD-DVD players to drop to $200-300 as PC Engine/Julie and Deadmeat claims.

 

[jvd]

At that price, you might as well wait a few months for cheap Chinese HD-DVD players to drop to $200-300 as PC Engine/Julie and Deadmeat claims.

you laugh at the price but these are cable prices for launch. The ps2 component cables were priced at 30-40$ when they first came out .

so were xbox 1 wires

 

[Guden Oden]

Well good luck proving that the xenos and this cable went into qa at the same time .

Christ, don't start eating stupid-pills you too... It's a CABLE. Meaning some metal wires wrapped in plastic and rubber. It doesn't need years of quality assurance. Frankly, if MS haven't finished developing the friggen cables for their system before it launches, then they're incompetent dumbasses, end of story.

Ms may not have started working on the cable till people started asking about it at e3 while the xenos was in developement for much longer.

Right, because nobody in redmond could foresee HDMI/DVI connectors appearing on TVs (even though they had already arrived long ago)? OH COME ON!

also more people have monitors capable of 720p through vga than hdtvs with hdmi

Staple or not, few people attach consoles to their monitors. Heck, even though the monitor may be 720-capable (though the picture will be squished as hell horizontally on pretty much every PC in existence), it's a lot rarer with CRT monitors having more than ONE VGA-in. Even many LCDs only have one VGA in. If you're lucky, your higher-end CRT has a separate BNC RGB input, but good luck finding an x360 cable for that! You'd have to buy VGA cable, then a gender changer, then a VGA to BNC cable. Not really the extents most people would be willing to go I'd say...

 

[jvd]

Christ, don't start eating stupid-pills you too... It's a CABLE. Meaning some metal wires wrapped in plastic and rubber. It doesn't need years of quality assurance. Frankly, if MS haven't finished developing the friggen cables for their system before it launches, then they're incompetent dumbasses, end of story.

its not just a cable. Obviouslys you've read the thread and know that the output chip converts the image to analog. Which means they either need a cable that converts back to digital or that bypasses the output chip .

This means they need to test and make sure it works in all games and to make sure it works

Right, because nobody in redmond could foresee HDMI/DVI connectors appearing on TVs (even though they had already arriv ed long ago)? OH COME ON!

Perhaps they felt it wouldn't be important and then the outcry showed them it did .

Staple or not, few people attach consoles to their monitors. Heck, even though the monitor may be 720-capable (though the picture will be squished as hell horizontally on pretty much every PC in existence), it's a lot rarer with CRT monitors having more than ONE VGA-in. Even many LCDs only have one VGA in. If you're lucky, your higher-end CRT has a separate BNC RGB input, but good luck finding an x360 cable for that! You'd have to buy VGA cable, then a gender changer, then a VGA to BNC cable. Not really the extents most people would be willing to go I'd say...

Oh come on according to the sony fans its simple to just take a monitor and hook it up to your dual hdmi outputs for dual gaming action. Why not hook your xbox 360 up to it for 720p action

 

[scooby_dooby]

Christ, don't start eating stupid-pills you too... It's a CABLE. Meaning some metal wires wrapped in plastic and rubber. It doesn't need years of quality assurance. Frankly, if MS haven't finished developing the friggen cables for their system before it launches, then they're incompetent dumbasses, end of story..

We hear about shitty HDMI cables all the time! IF they're having problems with the IQ it could very well be in QA still, especially considering that they are probably dedicating about 0% of their time to working on the HDMI cable when they're worrying about the 1st worldwide launch ever.

I can't believe MS pulls off a worldwide launch, and you call them incompetent cause they decide to release the HDMI cable at a later date. Priorities a little skewed? The fact Sony, Sega and Nintendo (and previously MS) could never manage a worldwide launch makes them much more "incompetent." Give em a little credit for stepping up to the plate.

Sony still does not have the competence to pull off a worldwide launch. We'll see what Nintendo does.

 

[Sis]

Besides, MS has already decided in their infinite wisdom people owning XP needs to re-purchase the SAME OS all over again and get media center edition in order to stream any kind of video. You foresee a lot of people forking out another hundred, hundred fifty bucks (or more) for another copy of a product they already own, with the addition of a graphical media front-end and a few codecs? I don't.

This isn't even a real scenario since you CAN'T buy a version of Windows XP Media Center Edition in which to replace your copy of Windows XP. At least, not through an MS retail channel...

.Sis

 

[Sis]

There was a Wired article where they said MS hopes the X360, besides making a profit on its own, will stimulate MCE PC adoption because it has an MCE Extender built in.

So you can stream music, photos and SD video to it but if you want to stream HD video, you need HDMI output. Also, MS has said 802.11a works better for streaming because of less interference.

Finally, streaming would be the one way for the X360 to support HD movies. Again, fitting in with their strategy of stimulating MCE sales.

Their hopes for MCE, as an entree into the living room, is based on things like MMC and iHD, or reasons for people to put a PC into a living room and make it the center of their AV system.

So Blu-Ray doesn't fit this strategy as nicely. For one thing, they don't want to support Java in Vista or MCE.

First: it is well known and quite obvious that Xbox 360, as a Media Center Extender, is an attempt by MS to spur MCE sales.

Second, I believe supporting Blu-ray in an OS requires supporting a special version of java for embeded systems customized for Blu-ray devices, not the Java framework you are referring to.

.Sis

 

[wco81]

This isn't even a real scenario since you CAN'T buy a version of Windows XP Media Center Edition in which to replace your copy of Windows XP. At least, not through an MS retail channel...

.Sis

I thought you could get the MCE from a white box assembler? I thought people could put together their own systems and install MCE instead of having to buy an MCE PC? I thought this was a change from their initial release?

I don't see why they wouldn't sell it directly to consumers. It's priced higher than Home so it's just more margins for them.

They are shipping a lot of MCE systems now through Dell and others because the price delta isn't that great, way less than Pro. But most of those systems aren't shipping with tuners or remotes. I think Dell charges $150 for a dual tuner with remote. That's not a Cable Card or satellite tuner, it's just an OTA analog tuner.

 

[wco81]

First: it is well known and quite obvious that Xbox 360, as a Media Center Extender, is an attempt by MS to spur MCE sales.

Second, I believe supporting Blu-ray in an OS requires supporting a special version of java for embeded systems customized for Blu-ray devices, not the Java framework you are referring to.

.Sis

Yes it doesn't matter whic flavor or frameworks of Java. MS doesn't want anything to do with it. They claim the royalties will be too high. But the truth is, these Java frameworks and runtime are a big competitor to them in various embedded markets like cell phones and digital TV boxes over in Europe.

So of course they don't want the winning HD optical disc format to support Java in any form.

That could be a dismal scenario for MS. Blu-Ray uses BD-J and becomes the winning format. Come 2010-2011, it's time for X720. Are they going to use Blu-Ray or DVD?

Maybe they will have HDMI that time around.

 

[Sis]

I thought you could get the MCE from a white box assembler? I thought people could put together their own systems and install MCE instead of having to buy an MCE PC? I thought this was a change from their initial release?

I don't see why they wouldn't sell it directly to consumers. It's priced higher than Home so it's just more margins for them.

They are shipping a lot of MCE systems now through Dell and others because the price delta isn't that great, way less than Pro. But most of those systems aren't shipping with tuners or remotes. I think Dell charges $150 for a dual tuner with remote. That's not a Cable Card or satellite tuner, it's just an OTA analog tuner.

Not since the last time I looked. You can buy a copy, but it's an OEM version. The reason appears to be one of support: the devices all don't play very well together. OTOH, I was able to set one up without too much trouble.

.Sis