Xbox 360 HDMI Capable

[expletive]

so here is my question .

Why can't drm be changed to legaly support streaming ?

The content providers (those who would sell HD-DVD and BR movie discs) want control over the entire signal chain from the time it leaves the disc to the time you see it on your screen. Theres nothing stopping streaming at all, in fact thats what MMC in HD-DVD is all about. The only problem is that componnet outputs have never been an approved physical medium to delvier DRMd content in any way because once its analog, content providers cant control where its going.

 

[expletive]

Christ, don't start eating stupid-pills you too... It's a CABLE. Meaning some metal wires wrapped in plastic and rubber. It doesn't need years of quality assurance. Frankly, if MS haven't finished developing the friggen cables for their system before it launches, then they're incompetent dumbasses, end of story.

Actually a cable that provides HDMI and HDCP functionality requires MUCH more robust testing then a regular analog cable, and a good portion of it is out of the manufacturers control.

http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/testing_policies.asp

You know what happens when you assume dont you?

 

[expletive]

I think that is what hte problem is , the chip converts it to analog while scaling it if it doesn't scale it perhaps it will pass through as a digital signal .

I smiply odn't nkow but that is why i asked

Scaling is mathematical, therefore it must be done to the signal in the digital domain. Who says it has to be converted to analog after tis scaled?

Also, for those talking about the picture on besbuy being a component cable, here is the actual description:

Finally, you have a gaming console that takes complete advantage of the high-definition capabilities of your television. Now, hook into all that power with this HDMI cable designed exclusively to work with your Xbox 360. Utilizing all-digital signal transmission, you'll experience games, movies, music and more that will rock your world.

HDMI works with your high-definition components to communicate the best available signal, so you can see, hear and feel your media the way it was intended. Featuring a 10-foot cord, you'll have plenty of room to maneuver your console into the most ideal location for your system.

Enjoy high-definition gaming from your Xbox 360 via an HDMI connection
Designed to work with high-definition televisions
All-digital audio and video signal transmission in one slim cable
Delivers stunning sound and images at best-possible resolutions
10-foot cord gives you room to position the Xbox 360 in an ideal location

That doesnt sound like a component cable to me. This is getting really confusing.

 

[jvd]

where is that from

 

[expletive]

where is that from

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7478696&type=product&id=1126591946162

 

[one]

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7478696&type=product&id=1126591946162

Something... is... strange.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7478696&type=product&id=1126591946162

Pelican Accessories Xbox 360 10' HDMI Component Cable
Model: PL-3618

http://www.national-tech.com/catalog/hdmianddvicable.htm

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Pelican-Liv...227906371QQcategoryZ41015QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

NEW Pelican Live Wire 10' HD Component Cable for Xbox 360
Mfr.: Pelican Accessories
Mfr. Model: PL-3618
UPC code: 708056536183
Category: VIDEOGAME CONSOLE ACCESS.
Sub Category: Cables & Adapters

EDIT: Oh damn what a waste of time
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showpost.php?p=621692&postcount=65

 

[Guden Oden]

We hear about shitty HDMI cables all the time!

And I bet most of that talk is either bullshit or people using very long cables. Look, it's not rocket science this stuff. You take any DVI cable (which uses same signalling protocol and rate as HDMI) that is delivered with a graphics card, when was the last time you got a dud one? Never happened to me, despite these pack-in cables are much thinner ( = less shielded) than some of the ones you can buy in retail stores.

IF they're having problems with the IQ it could very well be in QA still, especially considering that they are probably dedicating about 0% of their time to working on the HDMI cable when they're worrying about the 1st worldwide launch ever.

You're really fighting hard to make up excuses for them aren't you. It's not the same people that would hypothetically still be stuck working on a stupid cable whose specs are well known and easily reached, as the ones preparing the 'worldwide launch' (which in reality is spread out across roughly a month's time).

I can't believe MS pulls off a worldwide launch, and you call them incompetent cause they decide to release the HDMI cable at a later date.

This is not the scooby we saw when it was announced the harddrive would not be included as standard with all systems! You sounded a bit different then.

Besides, that's not what I said.

Sony still does not have the competence to pull off a worldwide launch.

Not really sure where you got the idea that a worldwide launch somehow had something to do with this. I guess it's your generally pro-MS attitude at work...

 

[Guden Oden]

You know what happens when you assume dont you?

I don't have to assume anything. These cables are machine-assembled on an industrial scale. If they weren't, they'd cost hundreds of dollars each. It's nothing overly particular about a DVI/HDMI cable, I can pick one up for about twelve bucks in pretty much any PC store in town.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Scaling is mathematical, therefore it must be done to the signal in the digital domain. Who says it has to be converted to analog after tis scaled?

Also, for those talking about the picture on besbuy being a component cable, here is the actual description:

Now, hook into all that power with this HDMI cable designed exclusively to work with your Xbox 360. Utilizing all-digital signal transmission,

I think it all comes down to whether the XB360 has digital out. A google was inconclusive. Todd Holmdahl had this cryptic, inconclusive interview http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1817024,00.asp

ET: What sort of connections can we expect to our TVs, out of the box? The original Xbox comes with just composite video, and you have to go buy another pack if you want S-video, or another pack if you want component.
TH: With the Xbox 360 you'll be able to connect to composite or component out of the box. There will be other things that we support like VGA.
ET: So you will support VGA this time around?
TH: Yeah. We'll also support some of the SCART type adaptors in Europe. It will support S-video, but not out of the box.
ET: What about DVI or HDMI? Those are popular connections on HDTVs these days. TH: We believe that we have the right set of outputs right now to meet the requirements of people who have HDTV sets today. We're continuing to look at what's going on in the future, and as things change, we've developed a very flexible system, so we can adapt to the different demands that are out there

 

[London Geezer]

The X360 doesn't "need" HDMI because it will not play anything with HDCP applied to it.

Obviously it would be nice to have an all-digita output for IQ reasons, but i challenge anyone to tell the difference between a good analog output and a digital output at 720P. And when you factor in the fact that we'll be sitting at a certain distance from the HDTV, i don't think anyone will ever see the difference.

PS3 NEEDS HDMI because it will be playing Bluray movies which are protected with HDCP and HDMI (or DVI/HDCP) is the only thing that signal will go through at the moment.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Won't XB360 need HMDI when qorking as an MCE extender though? If you have an MCE PC with HDDVD/BluRay drive playing a movie, and you want it streamed to XB360 to watch on your HDTV, HDCP's gonna be needed, right?

 

[London Geezer]

Won't XB360 need HMDI when qorking as an MCE extender though? If you have an MCE PC with HDDVD/BluRay drive playing a movie, and you want it streamed to XB360 to watch on your HDTV, HDCP's gonna be needed, right?

Well i'm not sure the X360 will support playback of HD movies (HDDVD or Bluray) at all, whether streamed from a PC or not.
In the end it's quite simple, no HDCP means no HD movies.
It might be able to stream them but it will only play them at 480p like any other person without HDMI (or DVD/HDCP) in their TVs.
If HDCP is missing in one of the links of the chain, you get a 480p image, not a full HD resolution one. And that's if you get an image at all!!!

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Which is why XB360 needs HDCP, if it's to function as a useful MCE Extender in an HD household which AFAIK it's supposed to. From Eurogamer http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=60737

You can also plug in a laptop or PC (or not plug it in - if you're using wireless networking) and play content direct from that. This is through Windows Media Player Extender, the software for which is pre-installed on the Xbox 360. In our example, Satchell first streamed a high-definition Project Gotham Racing 3 trailer, and then drew upon a high-definition recording of Star Wars: Episode II apparently captured on his home TV.

 

[London Geezer]

Which is why XB360 needs HDCP, if it's to function as a useful MCE Extender in an HD household which AFAIK it's supposed to. From Eurogamer http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=60737

We'll see how it goes. As it stands, the X360 has NO digital video output and will not be able to play HDDVD/Bluray movies streamed from a PC at full resolution because of HDCP.

I'm sure someone will find a work-around, but it will be illegal.

 

[one]

For Microsoftie, "HD movies" mean WMV-HD, nothing else...

 

[London Geezer]

For Microsoftie, "HD movies" mean WMV-HD, nothing else...

Which is what i expected.
HDDVD and Bluray movie will only work on standalone players, PS3, or PCs wil those drives and HDCP hardware all the way to the monitor.

I think the easiest option is to just get a player or a PS3 if we want to play HD movies.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

We'll see how it goes. As it stands, the X360 has NO digital video output and will not be able to play HDDVD/Bluray movies streamed from a PC at full resolution because of HDCP.

Is that really confirmed though? Seems the whole crux of this issue. There's a cable claiming to be a digital HDMI cable, without the right pic that may just be the website showing an alternative, that claims digital output in the writeup, and no official word from MS whether their XB360 hardware has digital out or not. Does the cable prove the XB360 has digital out? Or does the lack of digital out in XB360 prove the cable is misnamed?

 

[London Geezer]

Is that really confirmed though? Seems the whole crux of this issue. There's a cable claiming to be a digital HDMI cable, without the right pic that may just be the website showing an alternative, that claims digital output in the writeup, and no official word from MS whether their XB360 hardware has digital out or not. Does the cable prove the XB360 has digital out? Or does the lack of digital out in XB360 prove the cable is misnamed?

Actually the last word from MS was that there is no digital video output on X360.
The picture one posted is just a HDMI cable, like all HDMI cables out there.

If X360 does have a digital out, cool by me, but so far, no on ehas been able to prove it, while the word from MS is that there isn't one.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Do yuo have a link to official MS word on this matter, to settle this matter once and for all? I couldn't find anything obvious. Couldn't find any tech specs at all at XBox.com! The moment the horse's mouth clearly says 'we ain't neigh digital out, mon' we can concldue this isn't an HDMI cable as such a cable isn't possible, and we can close this thread, go home, put our feet up and stop worrying and fretting about the nature of the cosmos.

 

[London Geezer]

Do yuo have a link to official MS word on this matter, to settle this matter once and for all? I couldn't find anything obvious. Couldn't find any tech specs at all at XBox.com! The moment the horse's mouth clearly says 'we ain't neigh digital out, mon' we can concldue this isn't an HDMI cable as such a cable isn't possible, and we can close this thread, go home, put our feet up and stop worrying and fretting about the nature of the cosmos.

There was a quote on here not too long ago with MS saying they weren't planning to put a digital video port as it wasn't needed.
Personally i think this issue is done and dusted. The console is released in a couple of weeks so we just have to wait.