Xbox 360 HDMI Capable
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london-boy said:
I havent been able to find that information anywhere on the itnernet, much less right here in this thread...
The only things i have seen from MS is:
"we'll provide HDMI when the time is right"
"We're continuing to look at what's going on in the future, and as things change, we've developed a very flexible system, so we can adapt to the different demands that are out there"
To me, both of those statements do little to support the argument that "HDMI is impossible on the currecnt 360 hardware", actually they lean towards the contrary...
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Look at the picture for the VGA cable on bestbuy:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage...CategoryId=pcmcat66900050003&id=1126591945844
Seeing a pattern here?
The 19.99 price for the HDMI cable does seem a bit low however...
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage...CategoryId=pcmcat66900050003&id=1126591945844
Seeing a pattern here?
The 19.99 price for the HDMI cable does seem a bit low however...
expletive said:I havent been able to find that information anywhere on the itnernet, much less right here in this thread...
The only things i have seen from MS is:
"we'll provide HDMI when the time is right"
"We're continuing to look at what's going on in the future, and as things change, we've developed a very flexible system, so we can adapt to the different demands that are out there"
To me, both of those statements do little to support the argument that "HDMI is impossible on the currecnt 360 hardware", actually they lean towards the contrary...
Never said it's "impossible", all i'm saying is that the X360 released in the next few weeks will not have HDMI in all probability as nothing has been shown on the specs regarding digital video output.
They can put it in there later obviously, all i'm saying is that there is nothing NOW that leads me to believe that i'll be buying an X360 with digital video out for Xmas.
Joe DeFuria
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I just can't believe there is 9 pages for a thread about a frickin' cable....
Let me translate this for those who may not understand sales speech:
ET: What about DVI or HDMI? Those are popular connections on HDTVs these days.
TH: (I can't say yes so I'll babble on for a bit and hope you make a leap faith to the answer you want to hear) = No.
There's nothing more to see here, move along.
london-boy said:
Gotcha, yes i think thats a fair assessment. Only chance otherwise is if this pelican cable turns out to be legit. $19.99 sees very low for such a cable though and if it were true would clearly mean that the 360 has native HDMI functionality. ONly time will tell i suppose...
scooby_dooby
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Guden Oden said:And I bet most of that talk is either bullshit or people using very long cables. Look, it's not rocket science this stuff. You take any DVI cable (which uses same signalling protocol and rate as HDMI) that is delivered with a graphics card, when was the last time you got a dud one? Never happened to me, despite these pack-in cables are much thinner ( = less shielded) than some of the ones you can buy in retail stores.
You're really fighting hard to make up excuses for them aren't you. It's not the same people that would hypothetically still be stuck working on a stupid cable whose specs are well known and easily reached, as the ones preparing the 'worldwide launch' (which in reality is spread out across roughly a month's time).
This is not the scooby we saw when it was announced the harddrive would not be included as standard with all systems!
Not really sure where you got the idea that a worldwide launch somehow had something to do with this. I guess it's your generally pro-MS attitude at work...
Pro-MS attitude? I would say the same to anyone attacking Sony, or Nintendo and calling them incompetent because the lack of a niche cable like HDMI. It's ridiculous to make such a big huh-bub over a little cable. HDD is much more vital, and even then I didn't call them incompetent I just called them stupid!
As for what a world wide launch has to do with anything, I'm taking issue with you calling them incompetent when they are they only manufacturer EVER to attempt such a massive undertaking. Surely that is more indicitvie of their overall COMPETENCE than lack of a cable.
BTW, can I go buy an HDCP material right now to make use of the DVI? BR & HD-DVD aren't even in stores yet, so what's the rush on this DVI cable?
You don't think they prioritize items on their to-do list? You don't think they picked what they could, and could not, get done by launch day? Of course they did, any company would. And HDMI would be the very last thing on that list seeing as there is not even any HDCP contant available, regardless of how 'easy' you think it is is irrelevent. A 256 MB memory card, and a 40GB hHDD are 'easy' as well but they are not being released at this time either.
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london-boy said:
Well, MS's entire goal is to have the PC as the hub of your house. It could stream your HD-DVD movies (backed up on the PC) to any TV in your house, the X360 acts as the perfect client here.
I really can't see them shooting themselves in the foot and not supporting WMCE's ability to stream HD-DVDs. This would be a classic example of the left hand not knowing what the right had is doing, we shall see....
On the one hand it doesn't make sense, but on the other hand perhaps the cost to include digital out+HDCP compared to the, what I imagine to be, miniscule market for people broadcasting HD movies around the house, meant it financial a bad call. I imagine most people who have an MCE PC to watch HD movies when that becomes an option will have the PC connected to the main HDTV. Though I guess anyone with an MCE PC and XB360 will wanting to stream those movies. Personally. I'd rather a separate HDDVD/BRD player in the bedroom on the bedroom TV than a player in the living room that streams to the bedroom, as I'd rather just put in a movie to watch than have to install it on a PC first.scooby_dooby said:
scooby_dooby
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That's a good point about MCE owners already having an existing connection.
From my point of view (I have MCE) though, it's soo much easier and cheaper to run a network cable, than it is to run a 30ft DVI or Component cable.
Also, X360 would facilitate wireless streaming which would pretty much be the cats ass if you have multiple TV's, just move the X360 around, and use the internal browser to go through you DVD collection/TV Shows.
Of course, there's alot of practical issues with that approach, like HDD space for one, Transfer speeds for another (who's gonna wanna back up if it takes an hour to do one movie) so we'll see I guess...
From my point of view (I have MCE) though, it's soo much easier and cheaper to run a network cable, than it is to run a 30ft DVI or Component cable.
Also, X360 would facilitate wireless streaming which would pretty much be the cats ass if you have multiple TV's, just move the X360 around, and use the internal browser to go through you DVD collection/TV Shows.
Of course, there's alot of practical issues with that approach, like HDD space for one, Transfer speeds for another (who's gonna wanna back up if it takes an hour to do one movie) so we'll see I guess...
Shifty Geezer said:
Well for MCE the only thing i can think of that would require HDCP is HD/Upsampled SD optical movies. This includes HD-DVD/BR and SD Dvds ouput at HD resolutions.
Anything from a cable box or from OTA HD can be streamed today and doesnt require HDMI at the extender end. So it seems like we're looking at retail movies off optical discs, and anything else that may or may not yet be known (digitally distributed HD content, WMVHD,etc)
Agreed that MS probably does not want to add HDMI licensing or components as fixed costs on the 360, users that want that funcitonality can buy 'whatever' at a later date.
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Best Buy changed the DESCRIPTION of the cable in question.
There is no longer any mention of HDMI.
There is no longer any mention of HDMI.
Some possibilities...
1) Xbox 360's video output processor is not HDMI-capable (at least, most Xbox 360 system diagrams only had the "analog" block). Microsoft is just ignoring answering the question. This will mean that they will need a new version of the hardware if HDMI becomes necessary (maybe with a BD or HD-DVD drive as well).
2) Xbox 360's video output processor is programmable (I guess someone can open up the box and take a look at what kind of chips are being used). But HDMI-capable code is not ready or not released (to reduce the license fee?). In this case, they can update the firmware when it becomes necessary.
At least, if it were already possible, I highly doubt that Microsoft's marketing (or anybody's for that matter) did not hype up the HDMI card so far.
I guess we will see.
Hong.
1) Xbox 360's video output processor is not HDMI-capable (at least, most Xbox 360 system diagrams only had the "analog" block). Microsoft is just ignoring answering the question. This will mean that they will need a new version of the hardware if HDMI becomes necessary (maybe with a BD or HD-DVD drive as well).
2) Xbox 360's video output processor is programmable (I guess someone can open up the box and take a look at what kind of chips are being used). But HDMI-capable code is not ready or not released (to reduce the license fee?). In this case, they can update the firmware when it becomes necessary.
At least, if it were already possible, I highly doubt that Microsoft's marketing (or anybody's for that matter) did not hype up the HDMI card so far.
I guess we will see.
Hong.
scooby_dooby said:
That's the problem. Without HDCP (either through HDMI or DVI), you will NOT be able to watch those HDDVD/Bluray movies, at least not at full resolution.
I just read in the new issue of "Home Theater" magazine that BR and HD-DVD have not yet decided whether or not they will require HDCP for video and may still allow it over component. Apparently, they are afraid of eliinating the 10 million or so people that own HD TVs with no HDCP-compliant connection. If they were to allow HD video over component, there isnt a whole lot left that would REQUIRE hdmi. Except, of course, if you have the input it is the prefereable conenction. Theres so many devices fighting (STB, Cbale boxes, Upsampling DVD players) over the 1 or 2 HDMI conenctions on TVs these days though i'm sure most would have to put something 'HD' on component anyway.
I guess if the HD optical disc formats end up requiring it, then thats when MS would have to be more specific about their HDMI plans.
I guess if the HD optical disc formats end up requiring it, then thats when MS would have to be more specific about their HDMI plans.
If one system (HDDVD/BRD) needs it and the other doesn't, the one without HDCP will have a much larger HD base to start with. eg. HDDVD doesn't require HDCP and BRD does, BRD isn't going to work with n million HDTVs, whereas those customers will surely want HD movies so buy HDDVD. Of course inital players might be $1000 and those customers won't buy until the players are cheaper, by which point there'll be far more HDCP enabled TVs out there that those without might not really matter.
Oh, it's all a mess.
It's a big fat mess.
It's a dooby-dooby-complicated mess (tum-dum-de).
Absolutely no foresight. I can't believe companies were making and selling HDTVs without any content or guarentees they'd work whent he content was available!
Oh, it's all a mess.
It's a big fat mess.
It's a dooby-dooby-complicated mess (tum-dum-de).
Absolutely no foresight. I can't believe companies were making and selling HDTVs without any content or guarentees they'd work whent he content was available!
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