I don't see any devs here chipping in with 'well we knew this was going to happen all along but couldn't say' or 'flippen' heck, we've been expecting an HDD and now we've got to factor that out'. It'd be nice to hear what the industry's response is.
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BlueTsunami said:
No more than every system in the past, much less than many of them.
You seem to forget that it wasn't that long ago that features like rumble controllers, network connectivity, alternate controllers, memory packs, even optical drives were add-ons, not part of the system, and all have been sold as part of a bundle at one point or another.
Just as pointless as every console that's ever been released before it, since it can do everything that every console released before it can do straight out of the box.
And it will be as pointless as the PS3 and Revolution as well, since it will be able to do everything they can out of the box.
In fact, based on your optinon, we can conclude that every console in history, with the sole exception of the 360 Premium package, is pointless. That is how you really feel, isn't it?
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Basically when you add up the cost to get these peripherals
and it comes out to the same amount as the X360 "Core" Version...I see that as really pointless. Especially when you have a "Premium" version with most of those items...even then..theres no Wi-Fi in the "Premium" version.
- Wi-Fi Adapter
2.5" 20GB HDD
Wireless Controller
Component Cable
and it comes out to the same amount as the X360 "Core" Version...I see that as really pointless. Especially when you have a "Premium" version with most of those items...even then..theres no Wi-Fi in the "Premium" version.
Vysez said:
wow....MS really pissed off some 3rd party developers....
Shifty Geezer said:
From Vysez's link. This is just the Devs. There are entire pages from the Media and Analysts (so it is only 1/3 of the article).
I knew the RAM was the tradeoff
Anyhow, the only real saving grace is that the HDD is offered at launch as a SKU and separately for those who want to upgrade. That is the only significant difference between it and the PS2 HDD and N64 DD. Since Xbox users are familiar with the HDD and more games from the beginning may use the HDD because a lot of initial sales will have it I think it will be used some.
But there is the reverse problem then: Non-HDD users getting gipped. Really not a good strategy.
The good news is a lot of devs are saying "no difference" less peeps like Oblivion's devs who obviously were HOPING for the HDD standard.
Basically Bethesda and Square-Enix must be pretty upset neither MS nor Sony are including a HDD in the base unit as standard.
And people thought the PC was dead...
Acert93 said:
Why? The intial market share of users with a hard drive is going to be extremely high. Microsoft is going to promote the hard drive is various ways to keep the adoption rate high because they have big plans for LIVE and Microtransactions.
The greatest weapon Microsoft has to encourage the user base to embrace the hard drive is going to be their first/second party line-up of games taking advantage of it. All Microsoft has to do is release a PR statement from Bungie saying "Halo 3 is being created with a hard drive in mind. To get the best experience from Halo 3 you should own a hard drive." That will create a strong demand for it alone.
I was visiting one of my other hobby boards (not gaming) this morning and first thread I see is "Xbox 360".
I click on it only to find about 10 people saying (paraphrased):
"hey did you hear the news? Xbox 360 is coming out at $399 (linked to an article in MONEY magazine online) for the deluxe version and $299 for the bare bones! I'm in for the full system ($399)!"
The rest of the thread was people saying "yea, me too, deluxe, I pre-ordered YESTERDAY", OR "I'm pre-ordering today and making sure I get the deluxe system"
FWIW these are all men in their 20-s 30's and 40's. Most of them have Xbox 1 (or PS2 or both) and we sometimes played together on LIVE but they are infrequent gamers and most do not visit gaming websites.
I just thought it was interesting to see this POV.
I click on it only to find about 10 people saying (paraphrased):
"hey did you hear the news? Xbox 360 is coming out at $399 (linked to an article in MONEY magazine online) for the deluxe version and $299 for the bare bones! I'm in for the full system ($399)!"
The rest of the thread was people saying "yea, me too, deluxe, I pre-ordered YESTERDAY", OR "I'm pre-ordering today and making sure I get the deluxe system"
FWIW these are all men in their 20-s 30's and 40's. Most of them have Xbox 1 (or PS2 or both) and we sometimes played together on LIVE but they are infrequent gamers and most do not visit gaming websites.
I just thought it was interesting to see this POV.
Vysez said:
Can anyone tell me what option is MS giving, you or pay 400, are in very sort time you pay much more than 400, there is no option, yet they call consumers stupid.
If they really want to get more user base then put the core model at 199, or a HDD+headset standart at less (not less or equal) than 350. And even then it is pricier.
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Brimstone said:
But that could also alienate gamers who do not have a HDD.
When you put down $300 for a console you expect to get a good deal of gaming out of most of the games on the market. If you put down $300 and 50% of the games are locking out features because you do not have a HDD that is lame and could REALLY sour consumers.
Even more so if they payed $40 for a memory card and a lot of features are still locked out.
A HDD is understandable for MMOs are games that need huge mass storage, and level loading increase is understandible. But if the prime games are saying "You really need the Expensive SKU to enjoy the game to the fullest and you will be missing out on features" well base users might be upset. Especially if those features are important to the game's enjoyment/longevity.
Anyhow, if the HDD was important to Live/Microtransactions it should have been standard, or in the least required for GOLD.
RancidLunchmeat
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I think the idea that MS thought the live market place was a profit center for them this generation was out of bounds when it was originally speculated. The Live Marketplace was developed simply to get people used to the idea of spending lots of little amounts of money with the click of a button... something people don't right now want to do.
I still believe the $299 version isn't meant for NA consumption, and I don't think there will be many available. As far as the Halo 3 requires a HDD comments go... so?
What would parents rather do? Plunk down $400 for a $299 console with two games this Holiday season or $450 for a $399 console and one game or $500 for a $399 console and two games?
So Halo 3 or Gears of War or some other big name exclusive requires a HDD in 6 months or next year? Then, at that time, they can drop another $150 for the HDD and the game for that year.
Is that exploitation or is that allowing the consumers with less money to spread their spending out over a longer time frame while at the same time increasing their initial launch user base by offering the console at only $299?
Also, don't forget that while there's already been discussion of a X360 price drop with the PS3 launches (something I thought from the very beginning), there's just as likely to be X360 peripheral price drop at the PS3 launch.
So those parents that bought their children the $299 version (which can play all the games at launch only lacks a wireless controller and headset), have had their children playing the "new" console for 6 months to a year, and then might only need to spend $100 for Halo 3/HDD bundle.
At that point, they've spent $399. They don't have the headset, the component cables (probably not used by 85% of the base anyway) or the wireless controller, but they have Halo 3 and were able to spread their spending over 6 months to a year instead of dropping it all at once.
I still believe the $299 version isn't meant for NA consumption, and I don't think there will be many available. As far as the Halo 3 requires a HDD comments go... so?
What would parents rather do? Plunk down $400 for a $299 console with two games this Holiday season or $450 for a $399 console and one game or $500 for a $399 console and two games?
So Halo 3 or Gears of War or some other big name exclusive requires a HDD in 6 months or next year? Then, at that time, they can drop another $150 for the HDD and the game for that year.
Is that exploitation or is that allowing the consumers with less money to spread their spending out over a longer time frame while at the same time increasing their initial launch user base by offering the console at only $299?
Also, don't forget that while there's already been discussion of a X360 price drop with the PS3 launches (something I thought from the very beginning), there's just as likely to be X360 peripheral price drop at the PS3 launch.
So those parents that bought their children the $299 version (which can play all the games at launch only lacks a wireless controller and headset), have had their children playing the "new" console for 6 months to a year, and then might only need to spend $100 for Halo 3/HDD bundle.
At that point, they've spent $399. They don't have the headset, the component cables (probably not used by 85% of the base anyway) or the wireless controller, but they have Halo 3 and were able to spread their spending over 6 months to a year instead of dropping it all at once.
Johnny Awesome
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Parents aren't even really in the equation at launch. Almost all the launch units are going to go to 25-35 year old male hardcore gamers.
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RancidLunchmeat
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Johnny Awesome said:
Well, if that's the case, the MS is screwed more there than they are by not including the HDD or by any other misstep they might make. Because if parents aren't buying the X360 at launch during the Holiday Season, then in means MS didn't produce enough. Which means they effectively lose any benefit they had from an early launch and then just suffer all the negatives of an early launch.
In fact, if parents aren't in the equation and all the launch units are going to 25-35 male hardcore gamers, then there was no need to even schedule the launch to coincide with the Holiday season, because 25-35 male hardcore gamers will buy the system at launch whether it be July or Dec.
mckmas8808
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I price drop after a couple months? Why would MS want to throw money away? Arent they trying to make money next-gen? I think that would make MS look bad.
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RancidLunchmeat said:
The point is getting the early adopter units out there, as the next wave of casual consumers will be buying what their hardcore gaming friends already have. The holiday is just a great time to do it for obvious reasons.
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