X360-Maybe the best launch line-up ever?

[shred5]

Hopefully B3D doesn't get overrun by ******s. This is one of the few sites remaining that can actually hold mature and intelligent debates about games. That's not to say that all people who have opinions are ******s of course! I myself favor the Xbox 360 but I also respect the efforts and quality games that come from Sony and Nintendo.

Anyway, back on track, it's merely a personal opinion whether or not X360 has a great launch lineup. Although I would argue that Dreamcast had the best launch (personal preference/ Sonic fan here), PC "ports" or not, the X360 has an impressive list of software for launch. In the long run however, I think that the X360 probably has the most complete lineup I've seen in a long time. Almost every genre I can think of has been covered well.

I agree .. Nice post... I have been reading these forums for a while..The b3d forums have some of the smartest hardware people anywhere... I just recently sign up to post because I was getting sick of all the system bashing going on at other sites... I love my pc and my consoles... I just care that the companies create great game and hardware.. I want all systems to survive because it gives me a choice.. Compitition leads to better hardware, better games and better prices...

 

[MrSingh]

since most art assets for any game are created on PC, technically every game on the market is a PC port. LOL AM I RITE!?

 

[seismologist]

Do you even play PC games???

Yes I do, I never said 6600GT was top of the line. You're suggesting that people without the best PC card should go out and buy a $400 Xbox 360 ($400 if you want HD and a way to save your game ) so they can play the game with bump mapping.

I'm suggesting they should simply live with what they've got buy a cheap gfx card upgrade and turn down some of the effects. Just like we've been doing for the past 10 years with PC gaming. That's what Im doing.

Next time I upgrade my PC it will be to something much more powerful than an Xbox 360 and all of my games (including Oblivion) will benefit So, I'm just saying.. buying an Xbox 360 to play PC games isn't necessarily the best solution.

 

[Ruined]

Its a PORT...how could they have built an exclusive 360 game engine when the game development started before 360 was ever revealed. Face it.

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/e32005/devinterviews/20050518-oblivion.htm

Xbox.com: How many team members have been with The Elder Scrolls series since the beginning? How has this development process been different from that of The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind®?

Howard: The whole series? Gosh, probably over 100 different people have had their hands in it. We're fortunate that almost everyone who worked on Morrowind is working again on Oblivion, and we've added a lot of great new talent.

In many ways, the development has been similar to Morrowind's, since we basically started from scratch on Oblivion. But this time around, we were making a console game from the very start. We knew from day one that Oblivion would be on the Xbox 360â„¢, while with Morrowind, Xbox development didn't start until we were halfway done. Oblivion's been designed from the ground up to be a next-generation console game in every respect.

its a good idea to read up on games before you declare them a port

 

[BenQ]

I'm mostly a PC gamer, and I'll be getting Oblivion for my PC.

What all these "crazy Xbox fans" have been saying about having to spend ALOT more for a PC that can run Oblivion anywhere near aswell as the Xbox 360 will run it....... is 100% Fact.

It's going to be a year or two where the Xbox 360 will be offering a MUCH better bang for your buck.

Infact JUST the GPU needed to run Oblivion aswell on a PC, as it will run on the Xbox 360, costs asmuch, if not more, than the entire console.

 

[overclocked]

This discussion is so silly that i dont find the words for it, ohh i find it LOCK this thread mods!

 

[Moegames]

PGR3 is no launch title. Others in your list also not. And the lineup sucks imo big time. Lots of PC conversions and some not too good 1337 title.

Lots of pc conversions? LOL

 

[LunchBox]

It has good launch titles but i wouldn't say best launch line-up ever.

I think the first Xbox had a better launch line-up.

 

[Mordecaii]

I think this is a very good launch lineup especially compared to some of the launch games we've seen in the past. I loved my PS2 but the launch games for the system weren't anything special. With Xbox (which I also quite enjoy), I remember Halo coming out but that's the only really good game I remember at launch. So I would definately say that this definately looks to be a great launch lineup. For me personally, however, most of the games are not the kind of games that I would want. I'm getting Oblivion on PC (I love my 7800 GTX and my Athlon X2 (dual-core) 4600). I'm not a fan of fps games on consoles at all, I hate using a controller (the exception is Halo and Halo 2). I also don't really like racing games since I get bored with them. In my personal opinion Kameo is the only game that I would get and to be honest I may get an X360 close to launch and only buy Kameo. I definately think that Microsoft covered quite a few genres, but my personal wish is that they would have an RPG out at launch as well (other than Oblivion).

 

[Acert93]

Yes I do, I never said 6600GT was top of the line. You're suggesting that people without the best PC card should go out and buy a $400 Xbox 360 ($400 if you want HD and a way to save your game ) so they can play the game with bump mapping.

I'm suggesting they should simply live with what they've got buy a cheap gfx card upgrade and turn down some of the effects. Just like we've been doing for the past 10 years with PC gaming. That's what Im doing.

Next time I upgrade my PC it will be to something much more powerful than an Xbox 360 and all of my games (including Oblivion) will benefit So, I'm just saying.. buying an Xbox 360 to play PC games isn't necessarily the best solution.

But yet it can be depending on your rig. If you are stuck on AGP or if you have a P4 1.4GHz CPU etc... if you want to play CoD2, Prey, Quake 4, etc... with decent settings the cheapest way possible it is an option.

But that was not even my original point. I was not suggesting all PC gamers go run off and get a console.

The point was all the Xbox 360 bashing for getting "substandard ports". It is hardly fair to call these ports when

1. They are being released in the same time frame
2. They look better on the Xbox 360 than compared to over 80% of gamers PCs (and that is being kind)
3. These titles have been, to different degrees, co-developed for the 360

The point: The Xbox 360 is going to have some of the best games available, for gamers, this fall. To knock the 360 for getting these titles underminds the fact

1. they will look/play better than on most PCs and
2. that console gamers and PC gamers overlap, but are NOT the same.

PC gamers are a MUCH smaller demographic, so offering high quality games--even if they appear on the PC--is NOT a negative for most of the market.

The fact the Xbox 360 versions look great and will play better than all those people with Ti4200s and Fx5200s is just a side point.

Console gamers who do not own $1,000+ PCs will be VERY happy to get the console versions--that just happen to look even better in same cases. So I don't understand this obsession some have with knocking PC ports. PCs are not consoles, they are not necessarily in direct competition. Some overlap, but nothing like PS2<>Xbox.

 

[BlueTsunami]

2. that console gamers and PC gamers overlap, but are NOT the same.

PC gamers are a MUCH smaller demographic, so offering high quality games--even if they appear on the PC--is NOT a negative for most of the market.

I guess its off topic, but did Microsoft ever mention uniting PC gamers with 360 gamers in this console generation? That would be pretty cool and raise the userbase (Online) for a certain game. Also playing a game on 360 then the PC surpasses it (Visually) and being able to play a 360/PC game on your PC but still be able to play with your friends on 360 would really rock.

 

[expletive]

But yet it can be depending on your rig. If you are stuck on AGP or if you have a P4 1.4GHz CPU etc... if you want to play CoD2, Prey, Quake 4, etc... with decent settings the cheapest way possible it is an option.

But that was not even my original point. I was not suggesting all PC gamers go run off and get a console.

The point was all the Xbox 360 bashing for getting "substandard ports". It is hardly fair to call these ports when

1. They are being released in the same time frame
2. They look better on the Xbox 360 than compared to over 80% of gamers PCs (and that is being kind)
3. These titles have been, to different degrees, co-developed for the 360

The point: The Xbox 360 is going to have some of the best games available, for gamers, this fall. To knock the 360 for getting these titles underminds the fact

1. they will look/play better than on most PCs and
2. that console gamers and PC gamers overlap, but are NOT the same.

PC gamers are a MUCH smaller demographic, so offering high quality games--even if they appear on the PC--is NOT a negative for most of the market.

The fact the Xbox 360 versions look great and will play better than all those people with Ti4200s and Fx5200s is just a side point.

Console gamers who do not own $1,000+ PCs will be VERY happy to get the console versions--that just happen to look even better in same cases. So I don't understand this obsession some have with knocking PC ports. PCs are not consoles, they are not necessarily in direct competition. Some overlap, but nothing like PS2<>Xbox.

Just to add on here, lets assume Xbox 360 gets Half-Life 3 as a console exclusive and its a near-perfect port. Does that not give the 360 a great title that oculd potentially sell systems? Heck, there may even be PC Gamers who get the 360 version because it runs better than theyre 5200 GT. So I agree that something being a 'port' in and of itself is not relevant, it has to be taken in the context of the big picture.

J

 

[blakjedi]

CoD2 isnt a PC port. CoD2 doesnt exist on PC yet and the assets were created with both systems in mind.

Oblivion isnt a port because it was designed from the ground up for 360. Thats like saying SC:CT is a port to the Xbox Based on the dvelopers words own words... they dont consider it a port either.

Ports are games designed for entirely different target platform brought over to another platform. These are games with simultaneous development.
In a complete reversal, however, blakjedi will probably buy both Rare titles for 360 whereas one month ago he wouldnt have touched them with a ten foot pole!

 

[Acert93]

I guess its off topic, but did Microsoft ever mention uniting PC gamers with 360 gamers in this console generation? That would be pretty cool and raise the userbase (Online) for a certain game. Also playing a game on 360 then the PC surpasses it (Visually) and being able to play a 360/PC game on your PC but still be able to play with your friends on 360 would really rock.

Depends on th game. The FF MMO does allow such connectivity.

I doubt we will see this in FPS due to the KB/MS advantage. Outside of that I think it is more of a software hurdle, not a hardware one. It would be nice to see games like WOW cross polinate.

 

[Johnny Awesome]

The launch lineup is fantastic. Certainly the best the industry has ever seen.

 

[EndR]

I agree, the 360 launch-line up is outstanding. We´ll just have to see how good the games really are, but MS has managed to get a very diversified line-up, with "several" potential system sellers...

 

[Alpha_Spartan]

I never said it plays like crap, i said i can see it playing like crap when its released.

Whats the matter with this place???

i express my personal opinion / view and get flamed for it??? what gives????

If your opinion has no basis on reality then it's crap. Killzone has a mediocre developer behind it. They released two stinkers in the same year: Killzone and that Vietnam game. Rare is a proven developer. Your comparison sucked.

Right now, what PDZ will be is undecided. I hope it's a breath of fresh air. I'm sick of Halo this and Halo that...

 

[c0_re]

Wow it's pretty sad how people feel the need to come into this thread to bash the launch of the 360 and the available games when it easily has the best launch lineup ever, unless someone can point me to a better one please do.

And for the poeple comparing Killzone to PDZ the differenece is Rare has a history of great games and PDZ has been in development forever. stupid comparison when Killzone dev's are still a bunhc of rookies without a single great FPS under their belt.

Some of the poeple just need to take the "if you can't say anything nice or construstive keep you cake hole shut" for threads like this.

quit being strait up jerks for no reason besides you don't like Microsoft and the 360 and your blinded by your fanb0yism.

 

[c0_re]

Yes I do, I never said 6600GT was top of the line. You're suggesting that people without the best PC card should go out and buy a $400 Xbox 360 ($400 if you want HD and a way to save your game ) so they can play the game with bump mapping.

I'm suggesting they should simply live with what they've got buy a cheap gfx card upgrade and turn down some of the effects. Just like we've been doing for the past 10 years with PC gaming. That's what Im doing.

Next time I upgrade my PC it will be to something much more powerful than an Xbox 360 and all of my games (including Oblivion) will benefit So, I'm just saying.. buying an Xbox 360 to play PC games isn't necessarily the best solution.

This reply isn't directly aimed at the above poster I'm just using them as an example of the rest of the jerks here.



Yea cause it's so much fun to hole myself up in my office on some crappy knock off leather office chair nad a 19inch monitor, instead of kicking my feet back on my cumfy couch with my 65inch HDTV and 7.1 Surround sound system with my buddies.

You have your fun I"ll have mine.

Bringing the PC into the console argument is just stupid and desperate, say whatever it is makes you poeple sleep better at night. I'll leave my laptop and desktop for work and my consoles for games. (Minus AOE and Sims)

I mean if this was a topic about how great the PS3 launch lineup is going to be I would try to find some things I feel positivly about and post about that instead of of rip into and cut down the things a large amount of other people find to be very exciting.

 

[Mordecaii]

Due to some people's inability to keep from attacking other posters, I believe it's about time to close this thread...