World Cup 2006
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trinibwoy said:What the hell, apparently the crouch goal is all over german media cause it looks like he fouled the defender. He yanked sanchos dreads mighty hard
http://youtube.com/watch?v=H2WxxwYBvrk&search=crouch hair
Well then he shouldn't have such long, girlie hair should he?!
hupfinsgack said:The Referee overlooked a penalty for Côte D'Ivoire in 15th min, though.
Absolutely true. But Robben didn't fake his either, imho, and got yellow to boot. Probably to compensate and because he's gotten a bad rep about this, so in a sense you could say it's just in a way. I wish the referees would use cameras, as it's amazing how many errors we can see on tv. Like van der Vaart who I think actually tripped over his own feet, and all sorts of nastiness that gets unnoticed. At this level, you can't make refereeing a lottery, and it's a shame that conning the ref has become such an essential part of a player's skill-set.
Cote d'Ivoire gave it their everything in the end though and we were really stumbling - very lucky to have someone like van Persie, who imho was the man of the match without a doubt. But we've held up, and that does count. They are great and fit players, but have a few individual weaknesses, among which an 'inconsistent' goalkeeper, and you really, really can't afford to have that at this level.
But the agressive playstyle really did the match a lot of good. It was great to watch, especially the first half, but the second was quite thrilling also.
The match against Argentine will be interesting, we'll have to wait and see what happens - will they go for it all the way, or save themselves for the next round?
Meanwhile, I've come to realise here that part of the popularity of our national team matches, is that they've become a kind of lottery for national parties. If the team wins, you can go out into the streets, get drunk, sing, and party all night, and if the team loses, you have to stay at home and be quiet. Kind of like a cross between Queen's Day and the National Lottery.
hupfinsgack said:The Referee overlooked a penalty for Côte D'Ivoire in 15th min, though.
In complete contrast to the football, the referees in general has been pitiful. Overzealaous linesmen calling off side where there is none. Way too many bookings for good clean (hard!
) challenges, and not enough bookings for diving, mysterious free kicks (and lack thereof, including penalties)The diving is particularly aggravating to watch.
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Ok, this is going to be a rant:Gubbi said:In complete contrast to the football, the referees in general has been pitiful. Overzealaous linesmen calling off side where there is none. Way too many bookings for good clean (hard!
The diving is particularly aggravating to watch.
My problem is rather that the referees themselves are not consistent. Sure, errrors can happen, we're only human after all. Though we've seen a share penalties and freekicks that shouldn't have been overlooked (the Egyptian referee comes to my mind, who had bungled twice in a single match).
However, I see the problem somewhere else. You have some referees who rather not interrupt the flow of game and let the game get a little rougher, but are certain to whistle in case of hard fouls (just like Frisk usually did). On the other hand there are referees, who go after the petty fouls, and the game after the first few whistles the game is also very fluent (Merck, Molina).
But how should the players know what goes and what goes not, if the referees don't know themselves? Moreover, those whose matches are predominantly supervised by the latter are more likely to accumulate yellow cards which puts them at risk in the next matches. It is just unfair.
The FIFA tries to solve that problem by indoctrinating the referees which somehow are not chosen by criteria "the best of the best" but by "I don't care as long as they're from all of the world"
. But the way they're doing it seems to make matters a lot worse, as evidenced by yesterday's matches: Crespo got the yellow card for scoring after a whistle. Though it was evident to everybody, that Crespo didn't hear the whistel he still got a card. However, in England's match a English player kicked the ball from the centre circle in the goal after the whistle for the half time had been blown. Certainly he did hear the referee as he was very close. Now, under the Fifa rules that would have been a yellow card offense but yet he received none.
To solve this Fifa has to select the WC referees differently, based on their abilities, their track record, their fitness and their way of controlling the matches. Currently they choose their referees based on their fitness, the track record (*) and their ethnic background which is plainly not sufficient for consistent "refereeing".
(*) Each referee of the higher league is watched by an observed and afterwards graded. However, this system doesn't take the style of leading the match into acoount. Moreover, it can't say how fool-proof that system really is.
I dont think there should be "styles" of refeing period. You follow the rules and that's it, its pretty simple if you ask me. Sometimes you dont notice things on the field of play. But there's certainly no room for letting things go because its "your style."
That goes for all sports, IMO.
That goes for all sports, IMO.
Skrying said:
Exaclty that's why the FIFA should take style into account when selecting them. You want a WC were even petty things are punished, then take only such referees to the WC. Pretty simple solution. That's what I was getting at.
Moreover, there's a thin line between legal and illegal tackling. What is consider an offense in Spain might not be an offense in England. Not only local differences, but the referees have different opinions as well. You can't eliminate those differences, as they are just different interpretations of the rules, but you can select the referees that fit the "right" pattern, i.e. the official FIFA pattern.
I didn't suggest that the rules are not absolute, it's interpretations, though, are not.
Oddly enough, I think the general standard of refereeing has been pretty decent (apart from that Mexican clot who refereed our game against Paraguay ). OK, a few offside decisions haven't been judged correctly but plenty of goals have come from close decisions which were. The officials usually err to much on the side of caution and haven't been as bad this tournament, IMO.
You ought to see some of the referees my team (in the 4th Division of English football) gets week in, week out. Unbelievably bad and inconsistent and the better known Premiership referees are just as terrible when they take charge of our games! You get many games where both sets of fans are booing the referee and that takes some doing!
). OK, a few offside decisions haven't been judged correctly but plenty of goals have come from close decisions which were. The officials usually err to much on the side of caution and haven't been as bad this tournament, IMO.You ought to see some of the referees my team (in the 4th Division of English football) gets week in, week out. Unbelievably bad and inconsistent and the better known Premiership referees are just as terrible when they take charge of our games! You get many games where both sets of fans are booing the referee and that takes some doing!
