World Cup 2006
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nAo said:
Did you watch the footage in real time or did you just look at the picture? You can hardly call that boxing. He touched the Argentinian, who said himself he wasn't punched and he felt nothing. Moreover, receiving the decision 24hrs before the match is not very fair to the Germans.
Anyway, the sentence is not that hard. Frings can play in the final
To be fair Gerrard played 44 matches in the 05/06 season for Liverpool, plus England Qualifiers. Hargreaves played 16 for Bayern and was peripheral in qualifying. So whilst I agree Hargreaves (and German footballers in general) was very fit he has also had a much easier season and was bound to be fresher. Lampard, however, deserves no excuses for his woeful performance.Mariner said:
it's not about touching or not touching, it's about intentions. he tried to punch another player, that's all. It's supposed to be football, not boxe.hupfinsgack said:
An italian player (de rossi) was disqualified for the same reason for 4 matches, and I think there were too kind with him.
that's right, it's not fair, but the proof was found only yesterday..
I hope so if his team will deserve to win the tomorrow evening's match.Anyway, the sentence is not that hard. Frings can play in the final
Marco
nAo said:
I have less of a problem with the sentence, which I really think is kind of appropriate, but with the proceedings of FIFA:
They investigated for two days and didn't find any camera angle that has shown this. That is just amateurish. Then they announced that all Germany players and officials have been cleared of all charges on the third day in the morning. Just to sentence Frings on day 4, one day before the match at 17:00.
Don't get me wrong, but Fifa officials knew of the footage by Sunday noon. They should have agreed on a sentence by Sunday evening, the latest.
Any thoughts on who's gonna meet portugal on sunday?
For everyone mentioning how bad portugal has been playing, well, I totally agree. We're tired of being the "brazil of europe" and losing everytime. It's not like we got out from under a rock to reach the semi-finals, we've been playing good football since at least '96 where we lost against the czechs.
1998 was a failure, 2000 we lost against france in the semi-finals, 2002 we were totally ripped off against korea [but we lost against the US] , 2004 we we're playing the best football together with the czechs but greece totally killed us off [twice! At home!].
Let's see how things go this time. We're happy enough for reaching this point, anyway.
PS to england: the behaviour of your press is nothing but disgraceful.
For everyone mentioning how bad portugal has been playing, well, I totally agree. We're tired of being the "brazil of europe" and losing everytime. It's not like we got out from under a rock to reach the semi-finals, we've been playing good football since at least '96 where we lost against the czechs.
1998 was a failure, 2000 we lost against france in the semi-finals, 2002 we were totally ripped off against korea [but we lost against the US] , 2004 we we're playing the best football together with the czechs but greece totally killed us off [twice! At home!].
Let's see how things go this time. We're happy enough for reaching this point, anyway.
PS to england: the behaviour of your press is nothing but disgraceful.
russo121 said:
Actually, that seems a little unfair. The foul on Ronaldo should have been a red for the Dutch, and that was a mistake by the referee as it could have cooled down the match. But after that, the Portugese put a lot of acting and foul play into their game. Both Figo's headbut and his theatrical falling were a testament to this. If the incident had been investigated in retrospect, it could have cost him the next match, I think.
Both teams lost track of fair play since then, but the Dutch did have possession for 60% of the match for a long while.
They made a strategic mistake though when they were 11-10 ... at this point you could have afforded to use van Nistelrooij - although he's not adding enough to the team presence in a 11-11 game, in a 11-10 game he would have had the space to score that much needed goal.
I am not enough of a soccer fan to be very disappointed though - the color orange is not that dear to me and neither are drunken, partying people making noise all night.
Italy, by the way, does play a fair bit of soccer at times - they are a very good team, as in, the players instinctively find each other. I loved Brazil for their powerful offenders that could outrun and score so well. I hated France during the whole tournament, and only against Brazil did they start to play decently.
Again though, imho.
I don't believe it was an "accident" at all.
Their team had a tight defense and they fed off of other teams' mistakes to be able to score. In the case of portugal, our mistake was to take it for granted as long as we attacked. Wrong! We should've played their game to be able to beat them.
Their team had a tight defense and they fed off of other teams' mistakes to be able to score. In the case of portugal, our mistake was to take it for granted as long as we attacked. Wrong! We should've played their game to be able to beat them.
Watch a rerun of the game from the start [hint: ronaldo was injured in the 6th minute]Arwin said:
Stupid move, I agree. Very much like the one from van der saar on simão sabrosa but you won't recall that one because it would show that the ducth team was being provocative.
I could link to a video, but I won't. I'll just say that even if figo standed still after having an elbow struck in his face while sprinting it was still a foul for a yellow card, so no harm done.
Well yeah, but only due to the "theatrical falling" of the dutch player.
Sorry for the burst, but we're not taking the blame. We made 10 fouls during the game and got 9 yellow cards and 2 red ones.
Behold the world cup most violent team.
t0y said:Behold the world cup most violent team.
You may not be the world's most violent team, but you're undoubtedly the biggest divers. I mean, really, don't you find it embarassing? It's embarassing when the likes of Joe Cole hurl themselves to the floor, so I can't imagine what a whole team with the same motivation would be like.
I beg to differ, you'll have to watch the game again with inquisitive eyes for both sides.
To avoid another burst here's a related video:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=wW7J0OIXCro
To avoid another burst here's a related video:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=wW7J0OIXCro
t0y said:Sorry for the burst, but we're not taking the blame. We made 10 fouls during the game and got 9 yellow cards and 2 red ones.
Behold the world cup most violent team.
Ehm. Aren't those two lines contradictory?
Very obviously, both teams were to blame. There were a fair number of ridiculous acts on both side. One of the lows on the Dutch side imho was not giving back the ball after the referee's toss. Although it's not really necessary after a toss, in the context of the injury it would have been the nice thing to do and it was a good indication of how sore the whole thing had become.
I also found these comments interesting, from Ivanov:
"You would expect some dirty tricks from the Portuguese. They are known for time-wasting or hitting from behind," he said. "But I was unpleasantly surprised by seeing such things from the Dutch. More so, they were the instigators."
(This was, however, before he had seen the camera replay of the match ...)
For the record, a lot of people in the Netherlands thought that, whether it was just a late tackle or not, the first tackle on Ronaldo could easily have received a red card. And should have.
If I would like to change just one thing about soccer, it would be that every foul should be punished. Let a team of referees watch the game on TV and report to the main referee on every incident that happens, have a computer continuously record and recreate the whole field in 3d, and so on. Use anything you've got.
Right now, players are starting to resemble Sam Fisher's and Snake's with all their stealth kills and fake moves. This is soccer, and when a foul happens, it should first of all be the result of an honest mistake, and second, even then, properly punished. Always.
(I can't believe how many times this world cup penalties have not been awarded when they should have. It is very clear that the referee just can't properly tell a fake from a real tackle on his own, and often whistles on reputation of the involved player because he simply has nothing else to go on)
