Will Warner support Blu-ray?

[Mmmkay]

Why doesnt anyone care about the exclusion of MMC in BR as opposed to HD-DVD? TO me this is a big deal. I'll take half the capacity if it means a more flexible DRM scheme, BR seems very strict in this regard. Seems that everyone just wants to pile as many GB onto a disc but isnt putting the same thought into how they will actually be able to use the content on it.

Err, because it was confirmed weeks ago that MMC was officially included now for Blu-Ray

On Wednesday Blu-ray said it will incorporate mandatory managed copy but would launch it in spring 2006 with interactive features built on Sun Microsystems Inc.'s (SUNW.O: Quote, Profile, Research) Java software.

"Mandatory managed copy will be part of Blu-ray format, but while HP's request (for interactivity) is being considered, at this point in time, the Blu-ray group is still proceeding down the path of Java," Blu-ray spokesman Andy Parsons told Reuters in an interview.

 

[expletive]

Err, because it was confirmed weeks ago that MMC was officially included now for Blu-Ray

Thats great news i hadnt heard that. I wonder what Gates says now, MMC (and its implementation into WinMCE) was one of his primary reasons for backing HD-DVD...

 

[Vaan]

heh my point is that there is no prerecorded movie media for high def at all. And there might not be any when ps3 is released. You are assuming this base of titles that just isn't there yet.

Do you think pixar render its movies at DVD resolution? ¿Do you thing 70mm film is not suitable to handle High Definition when digitalized?

Do you even know most of the movies out there got their apple 1080p trailer before release?

There are even HDV recorders for $1500 or so. Even Apple's iMovie HD can handle 1080i home-made video!!! For god's shake, if amateurish and familiar video is going to 1080 resolution, do you think professional movies have been recorded at DVD quality??? are we getting crazy????

 

[wco81]

Why doesnt anyone care about the exclusion of MMC in BR as opposed to HD-DVD? TO me this is a big deal. I'll take half the capacity if it means a more flexible DRM scheme, BR seems very strict in this regard. Seems that everyone just wants to pile as many GB onto a disc but isnt putting the same thought into how they will actually be able to use the content on it.

Because studios may charge as much as 100% of the disc price to allow the MMC?

Because it's a way for them to get you into the habit of using an Internet connection in order to view movies?

Because only MS stands to gain from MMC while any benefits for the studios are unproven at best?

Because only a small number of HT geeks really care and will bother to spend thousands to set up media servers rather than just pop the disc in to the machine?

 

[mckmas8808]

Sony haven't released every movie they own onto UMD, a year after PSP launched. It takes time and money to produce movies and they'll only trickle out there to begin with. I wouldn't be surprised if Spiderman makes it to BluRay near PS3's launch though. A few flagship movies should be enough to ship the platform as a movie player for those with HDTVs on the promise of everything else to come.

Shifty the point was Alpha was acting as if 0 HD movies were going to be released when I pick up my PS3 on day 1. I that's why I brung up Sony's library.

 

[wco81]

Thats great news i hadnt heard that. I wonder what Gates says now, MMC (and its implementation into WinMCE) was one of his primary reasons for backing HD-DVD...

Naw, he just doesn't want Blu-Ray to help Sony sell a lot of PS3s.

Or if Blu-Ray won the format war, he'd have to put a Blu-Ray drive into the X720.

 

[AlphaWolf]

Do you think pixar render its movies at DVD resolution? ¿Do you thing 70mm film is not suitable to handle High Definition when digitalized?

Do you even know most of the movies out there got their apple 1080p trailer before release?

There are even HDV recorders for $1500 or so. Even Apple's iMovie HD can handle 1080i home-made video!!! For god's shake, if amateurish and familiar video is going to 1080 resolution, do you think professional movies have been recorded at DVD quality??? are we getting crazy????

Run down to the store and pick me up a copy of pixar's latest movie on blu-ray in HD.

 

[Bobbler]

Run down to the store and pick me up a copy of pixar's latest movie on blu-ray in HD.

Seems like you've tried to make this point already, but let's try again, shall we?

The reason you can't is simply because there is no reason for any company to sell them at the moment, seeing as there is nothing for them to play it on.

I think the safest guess anyone could make is to compare the situation with PSP -- how long did it take for UMD movies to be available after PSP launched? Seems to me they were available as soon as PSPs were. Additionally, PSP's UMD is completely proprietary so adoption rates of it will be slower (especially over time as BR CE players ramp up in production).

Playing devil's advocate only works if the counter point is actually valid.

 

[AlphaWolf]

Seems like you've tried to make this point already, but let's try again, shall we?

Try all you want.

The reason you can't is simply because there is no reason for any company to sell them at the moment, seeing as there is nothing for them to play it on.

Exactly. The assumption people seem to be making is that lots of people will buy the ps3 just to play movies like they did with ps2. The difference being that when ps2 was released there were already 1000's of movies available on dvd. PS3 won't get as much benefit as a player, at least not in the first year.

I think the safest guess anyone could make is to compare the situation with PSP -- how long did it take for UMD movies to be available after PSP launched? Seems to me they were available as soon as PSPs were. Additionally, PSP's UMD is completely proprietary so adoption rates of it will be slower (especially over time as BR CE players ramp up in production).

I don't think there's really a lot ot be compared between psp and blu-ray but....

I believe they had a few movies available when it launched, were people rushing out to snag psps off of the shelves? I could have walked into a store anytime after psp was released and picked one up.

Playing devil's advocate only works if the counter point is actually valid.

It's perfectly valid. People are suggesting that PS3 will be widely adopted by non-gamers as a media player as happened with ps2. There's significant differences in the time frame. With ps2 there were 1000's of titles available, dvds were a known quantity.

I'm not suggesting that people won't buy PS3s, I am not suggesting that movies won't be available at the time it's launched. I'm only suggesting that it won't have the same advantages in this regard that the ps2 had, which was a huge library of available content.

 

[scooby_dooby]

So everyone agrees, there will be a relatively small library of titles available at launch.

Alpha's point isn't that there will be 0 movies available, just that there are currently 0 titles available, meaning it wil take that much longer to roll them out. IS this due to teh fact there are no players available? Of course! But that doesn't change the fact.

In comparison, years before PS2 launched they were already rolling out DVD titles.

 

[MechanizedDeath]

I would assume a media company like Sony would be smart enough to make digital masters at a resolution far exceeding what they expect to see in the next...20 years or so. Then again, I've also heard that Capcom and other 2D champs don't master their work at high-resolution, and so have to resample that art again. I'd love to be wrong though, that just seems like it's a few mind-maps short of common sense. I mean, that's part of the planning step. PEACE.

 

[scooby_dooby]

I would assume a media company like Sony would be smart enough to make digital masters at a resolution far exceeding what they expect to see in the next...20 years or so. Then again, I've also heard that Capcom and other 2D champs don't master their work at high-resolution, and so have to resample that art again. I'd love to be wrong though, that just seems like it's a few mind-maps short of common sense. I mean, that's part of the planning step. PEACE.

I'm sure they do, but they also have low-res versions and that hasn't meant that PSP titles have appeared instantly en masse. For whatever reason, it still seems to be a fairly slow processs.

 

[mckmas8808]

It's perfectly valid. People are suggesting that PS3 will be widely adopted by non-gamers as a media player as happened with ps2. There's significant differences in the time frame. With ps2 there were 1000's of titles available, dvds were a known quantity.

I'm not suggesting that people won't buy PS3s, I am not suggesting that movies won't be available at the time it's launched. I'm only suggesting that it won't have the same advantages in this regard that the ps2 had, which was a huge library of available content.

Alpha most people aren't saying that the PS3 will get 100% exact same treatment to Blu-ray movie pickup as the PS2 had with DVDs. We are saying that the fact the PS3 is the only next-gen console to play HD movies that lots of people will take that into consideration for their purchase.

Some of you guys just want to downplay the heck out of that though. You want to make it seem like 1 or 2 people will buy a PS3 due to it's Blu-ray capabilities. Just face it Blu-ray movie playback is a great plus to have for Sony and the PS3.

Disclaimer: I'm not saying that 80% of PS3 sells will be due to people wanting to play Blu-ray movies. All I'm saying is a certain percentage will buy a PS3 along with a 360 or Revolution because they may also want to view HD movies.

 

[AlphaWolf]

Alpha most people aren't saying that the PS3 will get 100% exact same treatment to Blu-ray movie pickup as the PS2 had with DVDs. We are saying that the fact the PS3 is the only next-gen console to play HD movies that lots of people will take that into consideration for their purchase.

Aren't they?

Don't forget that many of the first adapters may end up buying the PS3 just because of the Blu-Ray, just as many bought the PS2 because it was a DVD player with a free console.

That is the quote I took issue with.

Some of you guys just want to downplay the heck out of that though. You want to make it seem like 1 or 2 people will buy a PS3 due to it's Blu-ray capabilities. Just face it Blu-ray movie playback is a great plus to have for Sony and the PS3.

I am not downplaying anything. I am making arguments based on facts, not pipedreams.

 

[mckmas8808]

Then yes you are correct in only correcting -tkf-. He is wrong believing that the PS3=blu-ray is exactly like the PS2=DVD.

 

[expletive]

Because studios may charge as much as 100% of the disc price to allow the MMC?

Well if they do, then i wont buy it. Until they do, i would still like it (MMC) built in the spec so at least they have option to NOT charge for it and do something positive for the consumer.

Because it's a way for them to get you into the habit of using an Internet connection in order to view movies?

If this is true, I dont really understand all the implications of what MMC is doing here. Is it really worse than NO option like BR(was)? Should i care if i have obtained my content legally?

Because only MS stands to gain from MMC while any benefits for the studios are unproven at best?

I dont care about which of the "suits" it benefits, they can fight amongst themselves. I only care how it benefits me.

Because only a small number of HT geeks really care and will bother to spend thousands to set up media servers rather than just pop the disc in to the machine?

Well i'm one of those geeks and not the only one on this forum, screw everyone else.

Seriously though, Media Center computers account for half of all PCs sold now. Before long, people with MCE capability wont be in the vast minority.

Also, seeing as BR has added it to the spec, it must not be all bad right?

 

[Deepak]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20051207/tc_pcworld/123855

Panasonic Disc Manufacturing has added the capability to produce dual-layer Blu-ray Discs to a test production line the company is operating at its factory in California, Panasonic said this week.

The company, which is owned by Japan's Matsushita Electric Industrial, expects to offer its first sample dual-layer discs by the end of December. The capability was made possible by the addition of a dual-layer replication module to an existing line that is currently producing samples of single-layer discs, the company said.

 

[drpepper]

Does anyone know the status of the Blu-Ray/DVD hybrid?

 

[-tkf-]

Then yes you are correct in only correcting -tkf-. He is wrong believing that the PS3=blu-ray is exactly like the PS2=DVD.

Nope i believe that some people will buy the PS3 just because it's a BR player just as some people bought a PS2 just because it was a DVD player.

But i think that the PS3 will matter more for BR than the PS2 did for the DVD.

 

[iknowall]

Run down to the store and pick me up a copy of pixar's latest movie on blu-ray in HD.

Actually where are some hd movies you can buy, they use the wmvhd codec and a normal dvd9 , i dont know how many movies are avaible but terminator2 hd edition is one movie out :

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00008PC2O/ref=cm_bg_d/104-2621656-0588731?v=glance&n=130

Too bad the xbox360 wont play them, not smart move Ms.

You can see some hd trailers and information here :

www.wmvhd.com