Will Warner support Blu-ray?

[scooby_dooby]

Nope i believe that some people will buy the PS3 just because it's a BR player just as some people bought a PS2 just because it was a DVD player.

But i think that the PS3 will matter more for BR than the PS2 did for the DVD.

The problem was all in your wording:

"Don't forget that many of the first adapters may end up buying the PS3 just because of the Blu-Ray, just as many bought the PS2 because it was a DVD player with a free console."

"just as many" Was interpreted as meaning an equal number of people will buy PS3 for BR as bought PS2 for DVD.

What I think you mean was "just like many bought PS2 for DVD"

Not that it was your fault, your wording is fine, it's just easily mis interpreted.

 

[mckmas8808]

Nope i believe that some people will buy the PS3 just because it's a BR player just as some people bought a PS2 just because it was a DVD player.

But i think that the PS3 will matter more for BR than the PS2 did for the DVD.

The difference is more people would have brought the PS2 for a DVD at launch than people buying a PS3 for Blu-ray movies at launch.

Over the long haul you could be right, but at launch there is 0% of this being true. Just no way. It's just not logical.

 

[-tkf-]

Not that it was your fault, your wording is fine, it's just easily mis interpreted.

English isn't one of my strong points, it makes it harder to get points across in a crystal clear fashion, especially on a forum like this were we to often end up discussion the discussion instead of the actual subjects.

 

[scooby_dooby]

English isn't one of my strong points, it makes it harder to get points across in a crystal clear fashion, especially on a forum like this were we to often end up discussion the discussion instead of the actual subjects.

No worries, your statement was gramatically correct as far as I see, it's not your fault it was mis-interpreted.

p.s When I first read it, i though the same as expletive, but now that I read it again, it's clear what you were saying.

 

[Danalys]

i don't see how HD-DVD up take is a factor. for example, if i do buy a PS3, i would buy movies on blue-ray whether i had a HDTV or not. since there is always the future prospect of having a HDTV to consider. HDTV seems like an inevitability so you might aswell prepare for it. otherwise you'd end up buying the same movies again later when you finally did get a HDTV. i also think that Blue-ray movies can be an improvement over DVD on a SDTV anyway. the only factor that would preclude taking such actions would be the price of the titles.

 

[Ty]

i don't see how HD-DVD up take is a factor. for example, if i do buy a PS3, i would buy movies on blue-ray whether i had a HDTV or not. since there is always the future prospect of having a HDTV to consider. HDTV seems like an inevitability so you might aswell prepare for it. otherwise you'd end up buying the same movies again later when you finally did get a HDTV. i also think that Blue-ray movies can be an improvement over DVD on a SDTV anyway. the only factor that would preclude taking such actions would be the price of the titles.

That is true but I expect BR movies to come in at quite a bit higher than their DVD counterpart. Still your argument does have merit and even if I didn't have an HDTV now, I would go through the same thought process you've outlined above.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

English isn't one of my strong points, it makes it harder to get points across in a crystal clear fashion, especially on a forum like this were we to often end up discussion the discussion instead of the actual subjects.

English is full of ambiguities. There's plenty of opportunity for meaning to get lost in the reading. What you wrote was perfectly acceptible, though as you see to get unambiguous meaning requires a legal-level of scrutiny checking every word and combination for dual meanings.

 

[drpepper]

Latest developments involving Warner and Blu-Ray.

Other than his misinformation wrt Sun Tzu's Art of War and Japanese Samurai's, what's your take?

I believe its Waner's last ditch effort in saving the HDDVD from utter defeat.

 

[avaya]

Latest developments involving Warner and Blu-Ray.

Other than his misinformation wrt Sun Tzu's Art of War and Japanese Samurai's, what's your take?

I believe its Waner's last ditch effort in saving the HDDVD from utter defeat.

Warren Lieberfarb no longer works for Warner Home Video.

http://today.reuters.com/investing/...79973_RTRIDST_0_MEDIA-WEINSTEIN-CORRECTED.XML

EDIT: He left Warner long ago. http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA627584.html

Lieberfarb works for Microsoft now

 

[rabidrabbit]

I don't quite get what Lieberfart is trying to say there.
Shouldn't MS then just have put HDDVD in xb360 if they were to draw movie studios to HDDVD and at the same time make the xbox360 a better success in "HD Era",
or should Sony have licenced BR to MS (did MS ask it??), but that wouldn't have helped HDDVD at all.

Or should Sony have given up BR and go for HDDVD just to please Warren Lieberfart, even though it would have been a loss for them.

Either way, I think the HDDVD group just failed. They should really have made MS to put HDDVD into xbox360 and also release standalone players before Sony and Blu Ray if they hoped to succeed.
Now they are just whining 'cos the scale is tipping to the other side.
I really don't think the advantages / disadvantages either side are touting rally are that significant to movie industry, either format would have suited for them just fine in the end, it's just those who have something to lose on the tech that are complaning.

Edit:

Lieberfarb works for Microsoft now

Well, that explains then

 

[Shifty Geezer]

I think Lieberfarb is just complaining that the movie industry is being caught up with console wrangling rather than left to be movies. He's not suggesting any alternative, as there isn't a logical one. Either PS3 has to come with DVD so that the movie studios themselves can decide which HD format is best, or the consoles should be postponed until a clear movie-format winner appears and they're format can be used in the consoles. Which is nonsense. Sony have developed an optical disc format and are using it in their console. Movie studios don't have to go with them because of that. If they all want to go with HDDVD nothing's stopping them. If BluRay is a such a disasterous format and HDDVD is so much better, the fact BluRay features is a console is meaningless. No studios release to it, and only release to HDVD, and force the issue.

 

[drpepper]

Warren Lieberfarb no longer works for Warner Home Video.

http://today.reuters.com/investing/...79973_RTRIDST_0_MEDIA-WEINSTEIN-CORRECTED.XML

EDIT: He left Warner long ago. http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA627584.html

Lieberfarb works for Microsoft now

Really? My bad. Thanks for putting it into context.

 

[creon100]

Movie studios are being caught up in the console wars, music publishers are being caught up in the mp3 player wars (what little there is ). At some point these content companies are going to have to come to the realization that they're no longer entities to themselves in completely distinct markets. Technological integration and the increasing use of consumer electronics to deliver their held media is going to force them to deal with markets within the realm of consumer electronics and all the issues that entails whether they want to do so or not.

It's even bad in companies like Sony, where the music and movie divisions haven't learned crap from the computer entertainment division about what's happening in people's use of electronics and integration.

Aside from that though, it is rather funny to here this kind of talk from him since he now works for MS who shouldn't be sharing any of the beefs of the movie studios - though I doubt this is any widespread sentiment amongst them, otherwise they wouldn't be aligned with BR to begin with. It's amusing hearing someone try to paint Warner as some kind of saint in this entire situation.

 

[mckmas8808]

"If I put Blu-Ray in PlayStation and I don't license it to Microsoft for Xbox and I get all the studios to only publish in PlayStation, I'll beat Microsoft in the next-generation games market."

What? So just because the PS3 will have a blu-ray drive that means that they will beat MS in the next-gen games market?

 

[drpepper]

What? So just because the PS3 will have a blu-ray drive that means that they will beat MS in the next-gen games market?

Yah it doesn't make sense. And I'm sure Sony would be happy to lisence Blu-Ray for 360. Though I'd suspect MS wouldn't want to for many reasons.

 

[Nappe1]

I don't know if this has been posted already but, blu-ray consortium seems to play safe. This is the final nail to HD-DVD's coffin. Now they lost even the advantage they got from blu-ray getting bad publicity with Phone Home(tm.) and missing Mandatory Managed Copy.

http://www.digitaltvdesignline.com/howto/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=174403090

Most interesting part as snipped:

Shifting gears somewhat, the discussion then focused some digital rights management issues that have recently been singled out in the press by Microsoft and others. The first area touched upon was Mandatory Managed Copy (MMC). MMC is a function of AACS, which is the basic content protection system for Blu-ray Disc. Once compliance and robustness rules are received from the AACS founders group, the Blu-ray Disc Association can include MMC in the Blu-ray Disc format. These rules are expected shortly. A second DRM issue was discussed also: BD+. BD+ is an additional layer of content protection for BD-ROM titles. Reportedly, BD+ is totally transparent to the end user, and does not interfere with "untampered with" titles or players. It was pointed out that an Internet connection is NOT required for BD+ to operate or playback of any BD title. It was further noted that BD+ will not interfere with mandatory managed copy.

 

[mckmas8808]

I don't know if this has been posted already but, blu-ray consortium seems to play safe. This is the final nail to HD-DVD's coffin. Now they lost even the advantage they got from blu-ray getting bad publicity with Phone Home(tm.) and missing Mandatory Managed Copy.

http://www.digitaltvdesignline.com/howto/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=174403090

Most interesting part as snipped:

I think something like that was posted before. I didn't see the BD+ info though. Good news for me.

 

[one]

http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/provider/providerarticle.asp?feed=OBR&Date=20051213&ID=5348398

December 13, 2005 05:19 AM ET
Toshiba to delay HD DVD player launch

TOKYO (Reuters) - Japan's Toshiba Corp. said on Tuesday it will delay the year-end Japan launch of its next-generation HD DVD players to address copy protection issues, potentially undermining its advantage as the first supplier to put such machines on the market.

The Japanese company had said in September the domestic launch might be postponed until after December. A spokesman for Toshiba said it would continue to push for a U.S. launch in the first quarter of 2006, most likely some time between February and March.

Toshiba said in a statement it would not launch the products until the last details on copy protection management systems, called AACS, or advanced access content system, were finalized.

 

[rabidrabbit]

From Slashdot:

"Some interesting information came out at at the latest Blu-ray Disc Association meeting at Twentieth Century Fox Studios. Apparently, 90 percent of the CE industry and seven movie studios now back Blu-ray Disc. And most of the IT industry (except Microsoft) also supports Blu-ray Disc. This has prompted Mr. Parsons, Senior VP of Advanced Products Development for Pioneer Electronics, to say "There's no format war looming because it's not Blu-ray vs. HD DVD. It's simply Blu-ray versus standard definition DVD... Currently, DVD has 50,000 titles presently available, and both formats will co-exist for several years to come with new BD players supporting both formats. BD players make the perfect complement to new HDTVs that are being purchased by consumers." Mr. Parsons then announced that the upcoming CES would be used to launch Blu-ray Disc."

 

[avaya]

http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/provider/providerarticle.asp?feed=OBR&Date=20051213&ID=5348398

I hope Toshiba are going to make some deal with the BDA. This maybe a sign.