Will Warner support Blu-ray?

[wco81]

Speaking of game data, we've heard rumors about X360 games in development exceeding DVD-9 but how are the launch X360 games faring as far as data useage?

Are any of them coming close to the capacity limit (7-8 GB)?

 

[mckmas8808]

Speaking of game data, we've heard rumors about X360 games in development exceeding DVD-9 but how are the launch X360 games faring as far as data useage?

Are any of them coming close to the capacity limit (7-8 GB)?

That's a good question. Can Xbox 360 guys answer this question. And how would they answer that question anyway?

 

[Ty]

many wont be able to take advantage of bluray though. Dvd player anyone with a tv could get better than vhs quality right away.


Bluray to get better than dvd quality your relaly going to need a hd-tv

Well that's just it though, many of the early adopters of consoles WILL have an HDTV because they are early adopters of other products as well.

 

[scooby_dooby]

So by the end of next year it will be 25%. Not amazing by any stretch of the imagination. Then again, it's going up against TVs that have been in homes for years and years so perhaps 25% isn't so bad. And again, we'd expect early adopters to be part of a MUCH higher %..

Don't forget that a large majority of the existing HDTV sets will not support DHCP enabled DVI or HDMI connections so they will be unable to view HD movies anyways. This is another huge problem both BR and HD-DVD face.

 

[mckmas8808]

Don't forget that a large majority of the existing HDTV sets will not support DHCP enabled DVI or HDMI connections so they will be unable to view HD movies anyways. This is another huge problem both BR and HD-DVD face.

And time will fix that problem. Most if not all HDTVs today are being sold using a HDMI or DVI+ hookup.

 

[scooby_dooby]

Don't forget that many of the first adapters may end up buying the PS3 just because of the Blu-Ray, just as many bought the PS2 because it was a DVD player with a free console.

The numbers are an order of magnitude smaller though. DVD was a hot product at the time, 100% of people with TV sets could use one, and eveyone wanted one.

With BR, 95% of people don't even know what it is right now, only ~20% of people will have HDTV sets which allow them to use it, and of that 20% a large majority who bought their sets over 2 or 3 years ago, can not view it anyways.

It's not like DVD, with DVD kids could convice their mom that she should buy the PS2 since it was a 'free' dvd player, that just ain't gonna fly with BR, mum don't care...

 

[scooby_dooby]

And time will fix that problem. Most if not all HDTVs today are being sold using a HDMI or DVI+ hookup.

Not sure what your point is. We're discussing current installed base, I'm just pointing out that not every HDTV owner can actually use these HD players. So when we talk installed base, you have to keep that in mind.

This is a big problem not to be glossed over, Mark Rein was commenting on it in one interview as a possible downside to both formats, you will get alot of backlash from consumers sho find out their $2000 tv sets, that they thought were HD, will not play cause it doesn't have the right 'input'

 

[mckmas8808]

Not sure what your point is. We're discussing current installed base, I'm just pointing out that not every HDTV owner can actually use these HD players. So when we talk installed base, you have to keep that in mind.

This is a big problem not to be glossed over, Mark Rein was commenting on it in one interview as a possible downside to both formats, you will get alot of backlash from consumers sho find out their $2000 tv sets, that they thought were HD, will not play cause it doesn't have the right 'input'

Of course you will get some backlash. I'm one of those people that you are talking about. But at the sametime I realize that if I want HD movies and games I will have to get a new HDTV. There is no other choice.

 

[avaya]

This is a big problem not to be glossed over, Mark Rein was commenting on it in one interview as a possible downside to both formats, you will get alot of backlash from consumers sho find out their $2000 tv sets, that they thought were HD, will not play cause it doesn't have the right 'input'

Honestly, those people are irrelevant. They constitute such a small percentage of the final projected market. Furthermore, a non-negligible number of HDTV's out there without the proper inputs are owned by early adopters. Companies simply won't give a damn about them.

However the FCC should have mandated some sort of HD standard label, like Europe has done with the "HD-Ready" label. I think we've already had this debate though.

 

[Ty]

Don't forget that a large majority of the existing HDTV sets will not support DHCP enabled DVI or HDMI connections so they will be unable to view HD movies anyways. This is another huge problem both BR and HD-DVD face.

Not true anymore. The vast majority of HDTV uptake has been with HDCP enabled sets. I don't have numbers but I'm willing to bet that the majority of HDCP sets out there outnumber the sets that don't support it*. And if not now, then very very shortly as the amount of HDTV sets selling is ramping up extremely rapidly.

It will be an issue for sets sold more than 2 years ago but I don't think the amount non-HDCP capable sets sold this year (when HDTV sales began to take off) will be more than neglible.


*Note that I think that there WILL be issues with adherence to HDCP protocols so even though devices claim HDCP, there will be handshaking pains between various devices. I guarantee THIS will be an issue.

 

[AlphaWolf]

My point was that for many HDTV owners PS3 will be the first real HD alternative to broadcast.

Well in terms of content, xbox360 is already available. If you didn't mean movies on blu-ray your point is incorrect.

 

[-tkf-]

Well in terms of content, xbox360 is already available. If you didn't mean movies on blu-ray your point is incorrect.

You can buy and watch HiDef movies on a XBOX360?

Very interesting, is this a part of the Live marketplace? maybe i should move the 360 higher up on the got to get list

 

[AlphaWolf]

You can buy and watch HiDef movies on a XBOX360?

Very interesting, is this a part of the Live marketplace? maybe i should move the 360 higher up on the got to get list

heh my point is that there is no prerecorded movie media for high def at all. And there might not be any when ps3 is released. You are assuming this base of titles that just isn't there yet.

Maybe I need to explain this more clearly. When ps2 was released many people bought it because it had added value as a dvd player, there was already a huge library of movies on dvd. PS3 will be released when perhaps as few as zero and maybe as many as 50 movies are available on BR.

 

[mckmas8808]

heh my point is that there is no prerecorded movie media for high def at all. And there might not be any when ps3 is released. You are assuming this base of titles that just isn't there yet.

So I guess the movies that Sony owns will just be sitting in there shelves collecting dust right?

 

[AlphaWolf]

So I guess the movies that Sony owns will just be sitting in there shelves collecting dust right?

Is sony going to have all of the movies on HD by the time ps3 is released? Chances are very slim.

 

[-tkf-]

heh my point is that there is no prerecorded movie media for high def at all. And there might not be any when ps3 is released. You are assuming this base of titles that just isn't there yet.

Maybe I need to explain this more clearly. When ps2 was released many people bought it because it had added value as a dvd player, there was already a huge library of movies on dvd. PS3 will be released when perhaps as few as zero and maybe as many as 50 movies are available on BR.

When i bought my first DVD player (Encore DVD for the PC) there were next to nothing on DVD. But thats not the point, the point is that many HD theater owners will do whatever they can to get HD movies, fx we have DVHS that is actually selling but only to HD owners, and you can buy movies for this format so i guess there is a market. And the same people that bought DVHS will be lining up just to get a BR player even if there is only 2 titles on the market. Knowing Sony i'm pretty confident they will have more and will release whatever they can as fast as they can, the PSP is a good example.

My point is that:

With BR, 95% of people don't even know what it is right now, only ~20% of people will have HDTV sets which allow them to use it, and of that 20% a large majority who bought their sets over 2 or 3 years ago, can not view it anyways.

Statistics like this doesn't matter, of the people that buy the PS3 there will be more than 20% that have HiDef and most of those will have HDCP sets or know how easy it is to circumvent.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

So I guess the movies that Sony owns will just be sitting in there shelves collecting dust right?

Sony haven't released every movie they own onto UMD, a year after PSP launched. It takes time and money to produce movies and they'll only trickle out there to begin with. I wouldn't be surprised if Spiderman makes it to BluRay near PS3's launch though. A few flagship movies should be enough to ship the platform as a movie player for those with HDTVs on the promise of everything else to come.

 

[scooby_dooby]

Statistics like this doesn't matter, of the people that buy the PS3 there will be more than 20% that have HiDef and most of those will have HDCP sets or know how easy it is to circumvent.

Of course it matters, statistics like this show why any comparisons to DVD are far-fetched.

It wasn't to show that somehow people won't buy BR, of course they will, there's 10's of millions of HDTV owners out there. It was just to point out that it's nowhere near the compelling selling feature that DVD was(which had BILLIONS of SDTV owners to market too).

 

[expletive]

Why doesnt anyone care about the exclusion of MMC in BR as opposed to HD-DVD? TO me this is a big deal. I'll take half the capacity if it means a more flexible DRM scheme, BR seems very strict in this regard. Seems that everyone just wants to pile as many GB onto a disc but isnt putting the same thought into how they will actually be able to use the content on it.

 

[scooby_dooby]

I agree and see this as a potential BR weakness, if they make it to locked up and a PITA, consumers will turn away from it.