Which is more important, a Standard Harddrive or Blu-Ray??

[Nicked]

Well how about some proof

Ps2 hardrive
Sega cd
Sega 32x
Neo geo cd
Jaguar cd

What kind of proof is that?
None of those were released with the system.

So i may be able to get 2000 player maps for less than a 1$ .

I wish , $2 a map will be standard imho. Player maps might go for less, but the majority will be crap

 

[Tap In]

HOwever unlike a console that doesn't come with a hddr content will be made from day one with it in mind .

I still dont buy that argument. That's like saying games wont include a save feature if the console doesn't come with a memory card.

I'm not sure what type of content would be made if there was a standard HDD other than downloadable content from Xbox Live. Which has more to do with Xbox Live itself than the HDD being standard.

Using counter strike source as a guid 20 gigs will give me about 2000 new maps right off the bat .

yeah That's an awful lot of microtransactions At $4.99 per map yer looking at about 10 grand worth of extra levels.

Not every dlc is going to be charged, I'm sure stuff like demo's will be free.

FWIW Halo 2's new maps were about $2.50 each this past month, as well as FIXES for Modding cheaters and Ghost Recon 2 has had several FREE download updates, online patches and free Maps/skins etc.

HDD is absolutely necessary for LIVE and online gaming (as well designed and implemented as LIVE is) may very well prove to be absolutely necessary to gaming.

I have no hard evidence for this.... but I have a good hunch.

 

[seismologist]

I still dont buy that argument. That's like saying games wont include a save feature if the console doesn't come with a memory card.

Well how about some proof

Ps2 hardrive
Sega cd
Sega 32x
Neo geo cd
Jaguar cd


Just off the top of my head . Add ons simply don't sell and a developer wont bother supporting an item that a small fraction of the userbase has .

I still dont buy it. You really think we would have seen more dlc on the PS2 if it had a standard HD? The reason Xbox gets dlc is only because Microsoft is pushing microtransactions alot harder than Sony is.

There are games that can't be done any other way like a mmorpg . Or any mmo game

Yes,. And when the time came (FFXI) that's when I bought the PS2 HD addon.

Sure and u pulled that 4.99 out of where ?

You would most likely see bundles of maps together for certian prices . Then you can also make your own maps and sell them on xbox live . So i may be able to get 2000 player maps for less than a 1$ .

Not to mention free content from the devs and demos and other promotional things they can do

4.99 came from a quick google search on Xbox level addon costs. I think it was the FSW extra level. I'm not sure how the pricing works for user created maps so I can't really comment on that.

 

[Korrupt]

Well how about some proof

Ps2 hardrive
Sega cd
Sega 32x
Neo geo cd
Jaguar cd


Just off the top of my head . Add ons simply don't sell and a developer wont bother supporting an item that a small fraction of the userbase has .

This is true, and the mem card analogy is off since a mem card is REQUIRED for game saves on PS2. If the optional HDD was the only way to save games on PS3 he'd have a point, but most users will settle for a mem stick as its the cheapest requirement for gaming.

 

[Hardknock]

I still dont buy it. You really think we would have seen more dlc on the PS2 if it had a standard HD? The reason Xbox gets dlc is only because Microsoft is pushing microtransactions alot harder than Sony is.

Umm, the majority of Xbox Live DLC is free. Hell even the Halo 2 maps will be free.

 

[Nicked]

Umm, the majority of Xbox Live DLC is free. Hell even the Halo 2 maps will be free.

Should've been free to start with...milking bastards....

(quality milk though )

 

[Korrupt]

Umm, the majority of Xbox Live DLC is free. Hell even the Halo 2 maps will be free.

Should've been free to start with...milking bastards....

(quality milk though )

You gotta wait a few months for it to be free, big deal!

Its better than it never being free. I'll be fine with DLC on X360 if a lot of it becomes free over time. Even if that doesn't happen, I'll probably only pay for DLC for games that I play religiously online, it'll be worth it for those titles. Just because a lot of XBl titles will have premium DLC doesn't mean you have to buy em all.

 

[seismologist]

Umm, the majority of Xbox Live DLC is free. Hell even the Halo 2 maps will be free.

Well that's good . Really my point was that they stand to gain something even if it's just to sell you the service itself. That's why there's DLC. Not because of the standard HD built in.

 

[jvd]

What kind of proof is that?
None of those were released with the system.

They are all add ins and none succeed . The ps3 hardrive isn't going to take off because its launched at the same time . It will never have a 100% attach rate . Hell I would be suprised if it breaks 25% attached rate .

Add ons fail because there is never enough content to sell them and it will happen with the ps3 hardrive unless its packed in .

 

[Tap In]

Umm, the majority of Xbox Live DLC is free. Hell even the Halo 2 maps will be free.

Well that's good . Really my point was that they stand to gain something even if it's just to sell you the service itself. That's why there's DLC. Not because of the standard HD built in.

FREE use of the HDD (besides tons of game saves and personalized in game music) with no monetary gain but just good for gamers:

patches for games (yea it sucks but a nice feature)

Fixes to fix people who figure out how to ruin an online game with cheating

Free DL content skins/maps/characters/levels

Demos (which I would love to have now) and yes they can sell games this way but they also risk losing a sale.

 

[Nicked]

They are all add ins and none succeed . The ps3 hardrive isn't going to take off because its launched at the same time . It will never have a 100% attach rate . Hell I would be suprised if it breaks 25% attached rate .

Yeah, and 4 of the ones you listed came out at the end of dying consoles. The PS2 HDD was never full realised, but still sold somewhat.
Releasing a HDD at the start of a consoles lifespan will increase attach rate significantly. And if you think developers will code online that 10% of their audience uses, but not a HDD that 20%+ do, you're dead wrong. Any Sony's first party games will make use of it, and multiplatform games will, so its not like an add-on is doomed to fail.

You gotta wait a few months for it to be free, big deal!

Its better than it never being free. I'll be fine with DLC on X360 if a lot of it becomes free over time. Even if that doesn't happen, I'll probably only pay for DLC for games that I play religiously online, it'll be worth it for those titles. Just because a lot of XBl titles will have premium DLC doesn't mean you have to buy em all.

Its not a big deal, but when you make a game thats sold nearly 5million copies, make a run of 'limited edition' copies that isn't limited at all (grrrr, damn you MS), then charge for what 99% of developers give away for free, people can get a little pissed off.

 

[Korrupt]

What kind of proof is that?
None of those were released with the system.

They are all add ins and none succeed . The ps3 hardrive isn't going to take off because its launched at the same time . It will never have a 100% attach rate . Hell I would be suprised if it breaks 25% attached rate .

Add ons fail because there is never enough content to sell them and it will happen with the ps3 hardrive unless its packed in .

Also an addon like a HDD will be very expensive, which will scare away all but the most hardcore gamers on PS3.

 

[Korrupt]

Its not a big deal, but when you make a game thats sold nearly 5million copies, make a run of 'limited edition' copies that isn't limited at all (grrrr, damn you MS), then charge for what 99% of developers give away for free, people can get a little pissed off.

That's true, I guess I look at the bright side of things. I'm just happy that the H2 DLC is going to be free, they could have just charged for it and left it that way. Some DLC for XB1 is still not free, that's a crappier senario :/

 

[seismologist]

Well now I can see the benefit in a HD.
If your talking Xbox 360 with Live then a HD would be useful. If your talking PS3 with no online service then HD is sort of a waste, IMHO. I still believe that only a handful of games would use it.

The reason I want Blu Ray is because I need hi def DVD and the other option is to buy a $400 standalone player. It's more valueable than a HD so if I'm buying a console without it I expect the console to cost alot less.

 

[Korrupt]

Well now I can see the benefit in a HD.
If your talking Xbox 360 with Live then a HD would be useful. If your talking PS3 with no online service then HD is sort of a waste, IMHO. I still believe that only a handful of games would use it.

The reason I want Blu Ray is because I need hi def DVD and the other option is to buy a $400 standalone player. It's more valueable than a HD so if I'm buying a console without it I expect the console to cost alot less.

So did you also expect PS2 to cost less than Xbox1 cause it didn't have a HDD and older tech?

 

[jvd]

The reason I want Blu Ray is because I need hi def DVD and the other option is to buy a $400 standalone player. It's more valueable than a HD so if I'm buying a console without it I expect the console to cost alot less.

mabye and mabye not . You may end up with a 400$ dead end high def player in the form of the ps3 if the next 2 years or so goes in hd-dvds favor

However your reason has nothing to do with games and quite frankly you will miss out on new takes on games because of the lack of a hdd

The PS2 HDD was never full realised, but still sold somewhat

Under 1 million units , i think actually 600k . That is not even 1% of the 90m installed base of ps2s and it will only shrink in the future

Releasing a HDD at the start of a consoles lifespan will increase attach rate significantly

Explain why ?

It will be very hard for sony to sell u a 300$ ps3 and then a 100$ hardrive when the x360 is 300$ , it will be harder for sony to sell a 400$ ps3 and a 100$ hardrive .

Many will not buy the ps3 and many more will forgo the hardrive .

Add ons simply don't sell no matter what point in its life its released .

And if you think developers will code online that 10% of their audience uses, but not a HDD that 20%+ do, you're dead wrong

Live will have a 100% tie in rate next gen . It comes free with the system . online play is at an additonal fee but live itself is free and thus downloadable content will be avalible to anyone with an internet connection .

That will be a much greater number of people than a hardrive sold as an add on . Even with your fictional 20% tie in rate ..

Any Sony's first party games will make use of it, and multiplatform games will, so its not like an add-on is doomed to fail.

Mabye some sony titles will . But many third party players wont . They will design thier games and features around a 100% share .

Once again all add ons fail . To believe sony is exempt from this is crazy . Not many consumers are happy about buying a 100$ add on . Heck many people aren't even willing to spend 200$ on the console let along another item that wont be fully supported .

 

[seismologist]

So did you also expect PS2 to cost less than Xbox1 cause it didn't have a HDD and older tech?

Yeah it should have cost less but those differences aren't as clear. It's not like tossing in a "free" hi-def movie player.

mabye and mabye not . You may end up with a 400$ dead end high def player in the form of the ps3 if the next 2 years or so goes in hd-dvds favor

We'll save that for another topic but pretty unlikely, lets just say that I'm not too worried about Blu Ray as a movie format. I was in EB today and even UMD has around 30 movies released for it already.

 

[Korrupt]

Yeah it should have cost less but those differences aren't as clear. It's not like tossing in a "free" hi-def movie player.

I dunno, a BRD player vs. HDD standard (and everything that entails) is a pretty good trade-off IMO. Either way I feel as if my $300 is well spent either with MS or Sony.

 

[mckmas8808]

I was in EB today and even UMD has around 30 movies released for it already.

Something to think about guys. While hardcores like us know more about videogames casuals will probably prefer blu-ray movies. People are demanding umds right now. And they will probably demand BD movies.

But I wish Sony could throw in that HDD. If they did gameover. But they probably won't.

 

[Inane_Dork]

HDD gains you mainly in gaming ways.
BR gains you mainly in movie ways.

I side squarely with the HDD side, but that's just because I value added gaming features far more than added movie features.