What should CAPCOM do now?

[Ozymandis]

Ok Devil May Cry 2 isn't as good as RE0, AFAICS from reviews anyway, but its hardly night and day. In the end both games were disapointing. Also what you have to take into account is that DMC2 is only the second game in its series (far less stale then RE) and is on a system with 4 times the userbase of GC.

DMC averaged 92% from reviews (GameRankings). DMC2 average 72%.

RE Remake averaged 91%, Zero averaged 83%.

There's a much bigger drop in score with Devil May Cry. I'd expect that to correspond to it being a bigger disappointment, and I'd also expect sales to be much lower, respectively.

And I think DMC was somewhat-stale in its original outing

On PSX Res Evil was an excellent new game series. Since then it hasn't improved one bit gameplay or control wise. The series is not what it once was. Check out the sales of the Res Evil game on PS2.. they're far worse then the sales of the GC versions.

Like zurich said, that's a port of a game released on DC. A lot of RE fans already have the DC version.

 

[marconelly!]

Another suggestion to Capcom. When you have a cool, best selling property as DMC, don't give it to a completely new, unexperienced team, that will make a super half-assed sequel.

 

[Rodéric]

I own a NGC, I bought Resident Evil, it was a good remake, but still only a remake.

RE0, have seen it, ads sucked in here (france), have read many reviews... It's still far from current games quality, gameplay wise of course. (graphics are good, yes, but that doesn't make a game, that can only break a game if bad).

Really they went back to 2.5D, introduced almost nothing new, it's a rehash of existing RE, same old boring monsters, giant things, short game (according to many)...
They don't have my money on this one, but I think I'll buy RE2 and I'm VERY interested in RE4 which will introduce some interesting changes.

How did they end up thinking reselling the same game over and over will make them get some money ? There's nothing intereseting in RE0, and most of it as already be seen on previous titles...

 

[Goldni]

DMC averaged 92% from reviews (GameRankings). DMC2 average 72%.

RE Remake averaged 91%, Zero averaged 83%.

Bullshit! the heavy casual PS2 audience does'nt keep up with reviews of games like alot of us real gamers. They dont know what's a port and what is'nt. Take a poll of your PS2 fans and you'll find that most of them have never played the older RE games on PSX...cause alot of them probably did'nt own a PSX. Your argument is moot. There is a ton of crap games that sell on PS2. Say what you want about XB and GCN fanbase but it appears that they are more informed about games than PS2 fans as a whole on %. We confer about games moreso than PS2 fan.

IMO Capcom has made some good and bad decisions. RE going to GC exclusive was successful. That's not thier problem. It's games like Dino Crisis that have stalled out this gen. And the stupid decision to make Maximo ( and now Maximo 2) for only PS2. Through Feb Maximo sold aprx. 190,000 copies on PS2. Maximo could have been the next big mascot in video games..but oh well. The last 80,000 of that 190,000 number came from bargain bin sales. Maximo was at like 75,000 for a good while after it's release iirc. I remember seeing it for $19.99 like a month and a half after it came out. You can't make money like that. You have to know your target audience demographic Capcom. Maximo is old school G & G's style gameplay. It's a challenging game..too much so for the PS2 casuals.

Before you say 190,000 is alot, not so really when you look at the huge PS2 base. It'd be like a Gamecube game selling 50,000 copies if you factor in the fanbase sizes. IMO Maximo 2 should go to GCN as well. It'd do great on the platform heavy (and old shool gamer adopted) GCN. Look at Sonic Mega Collection for GCN. It has sold through 195,000 copies through Feb..in just a few months of release. Yeah it's $29.00 but you know alot of your old school fans like us lapped that up. We would buy a game like Maximo or G & G. While PS2 fan continues to keep GTAVC in the top 5 chart.* sigh*. IMO M2 will do worse sales than Maximo. Learn your lessons Capcom.

 

[CaptainHowdy]

exactly, DMC 2's quality had nothing to do with it, a game being total crap never stopped PS2 fans from buying games in the past.

DMC2 wasnt bad, its problems were all in that it was nothing new over the first, much like RE0, its a good game, just nothing knew over the first(errr, first 3)...

I dont expect PN03 to sell that well, just because I hear its a terrible game.

 

[jvd]

exactly, DMC 2's quality had nothing to do with it, a game being total crap never stopped PS2 fans from buying games in the past.

DMC2 wasnt bad, its problems were all in that it was nothing new over the first, much like RE0, its a good game, just nothing knew over the first(errr, first 3)...

I dont expect PN03 to sell that well, just because I hear its a terrible game.

Thats not really the problem either

Look at gta 3 vice city . IT was a glorified expansion pack. Yet it sold in droves. Mostly cause of the hype (admit i hated both gta 3 and gta 3 vice city)

 

[CaptainHowdy]

exactly, DMC 2's quality had nothing to do with it, a game being total crap never stopped PS2 fans from buying games in the past.

DMC2 wasnt bad, its problems were all in that it was nothing new over the first, much like RE0, its a good game, just nothing knew over the first(errr, first 3)...

I dont expect PN03 to sell that well, just because I hear its a terrible game.

Thats not really the problem either

Look at gta 3 vice city . IT was a glorified expansion pack. Yet it sold in droves. Mostly cause of the hype (admit i hated both gta 3 and gta 3 vice city)

thats hype, something that really didnt exist for DMC2....
GTA kind of shows how everything today works in trends.

 

[marconelly!]

It'd do great on the platform heavy (and old shool gamer adopted) GCN. Look at Sonic Mega Collection for GCN. It has sold through 195,000 copies through Feb..in just a few months of release. Yeah it's $29.00 but you know alot of your old school fans like us lapped that up.

Old school games like Contra and Shinobi had sold quite a bit even at full price. Maximo sales weren't that bad either for a completely non-advertised and unknown game. It wouldn't sell as much on GC, I'm almost certain of that - whatever game has been released simultaneosly on PS2 and GC, it always sold more on PS2 (latest example Def Jam Vendeta, made by AKI that supposedly had so many fans on Cube - the game sold ten times more on PS2, and GC sales were absolutely pathetic)

thats hype, something that really didnt exist for DMC2....

Guess why the hype didn't existed? Because the game looked like total crap every screen released. In a matter of fact, the game had tons of *negative* hype for it's obvious downgrade in graphics.

 

[Goldni]

I have to disagree marconelly. Last time I looked Contra and Shinobi did'nt do too well. Oh yeah they finally moved some units after being in the bargain bins (saw both at Circuit City yesterday no kidding). But yes on avg PS2 SHOULD move more units than GCN.

I hae'nt seen DJV numbers yet how have you? What are they?

 

[marconelly!]

What's 'too well' for two completely oldskool games that have no mainstream appeal whatsoever? They sold ~200K each if I remember correctly, and considering how low budget they seem to be, that's pretty good, I think. Let's see how well Ikaruga will do on GC.

I hae'nt seen DJV numbers yet how have you? What are they?

Person at GA posted weekly sales at Best Buy stores in his region that usually reflect general sales ratios pretty well.
http://ga.gamesquad.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29686&highlight=numbers

PS2: Def Jam Vendetta 1871
GC: Def Jam Vendetta 212

 

[V3]

Anyone figure out, what are the 100 games Capcom has in development ?

RE4
Onimusha 3
Onimusha Fighting game
DMC 3 (I assume)
Rockman
Rockman Zero 2
Killer 7
Viewtiful Joe
Dino Crisis 3
Clock Tower ??
Chaos Legion

I am pretty sure there are more.

What a bunch of BS, how the hell does capcom, have 100 games in development? No publisher has that many in cdevelopment at one time, with the expection of EA. Capcom doesn't relese tha tmany games a year to even justify that number. I think this article is off base.

I think they also count 1 region as 1 game and 1 console as 1 game. So 1 game on 3 consoles and 3 main regions, is probably counted as 9 games.

Edit: Also this is Capcom, who probably has, remixes and director's cut of each game.

 

[zurich]

Steel Batallion Online too.

 

[Magnum PI]

why do some focus on bad sales of capcom GC titles ?

a lot of capcom titles sold under expectations, not only on GC:
resident evil 0, clock tower 3, chaos legion, DMC2, P.N. 03..

so there is no specific problem with the GC.

 

[CaptainHowdy]

why do some focus on bad sales of capcom GC titles ?

a lot of capcom titles sold under expectations, not only on GC:
resident evil 0, clock tower 3, chaos legion, DMC2, P.N. 03..

so there is no specific problem with the GC.

Because many pathetic people live thier entire lives trying to prove
Nintendo is for kids, never once contemplating that the majority of
the real fanbase, are men in thier late 20's who grew up with Nintendo.

 

[jvd]

why do some focus on bad sales of capcom GC titles ?

a lot of capcom titles sold under expectations, not only on GC:
resident evil 0, clock tower 3, chaos legion, DMC2, P.N. 03..

so there is no specific problem with the GC.

Because many pathetic people live thier entire lives trying to prove
Nintendo is for kids, never once contemplating that the majority of
the real fanbase, are men in thier late 20's who grew up with Nintendo.

Excuse me i'm in my early 20s....

 

[Johnny Awesome]

I have some advice for Capcom: Make good games that are properly targetted to each console demographic.

Crapcom has become horrible lately. RE is horrible. Ominusha and DMC were half-baked, yet with some potential. All the 2D fighters are using 10 year-old sprites/animations. They just suck.

Capcom hasn't made a great game in 5 years.

Capcom = mediocre. They're still trying to get a handle on coding in full 3D!

I can't believe they get so much support from the hardcore, just because they made Street Fighter 15 years ago.

 

[Deepak]

Excuse me i'm in my early 20s....

early or late???

 

[jvd]

Excuse me i'm in my early 20s....

early or late???

early i think , unless 21 is my late 20's ... god i'm getting old haha ...

 

[Deepak]

But you look like in late 20s (if the pic u posted is urs)....u r younger to me (23)...cant believe...

 

[jvd]

But you look like in late 20s (if the pic u posted is urs)....u r younger to me (23)...cant believe...

Do i really look at old ? crap i was born sept 6th 1981 .