What Handheld Do You Want To See Next Generation?
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Don't really see it as that impressive as it came out later , they don't give out normal numbers. What does that 125m polys /sec maximum equal with 6 lights ? What is the true fillrate ?Legion said:
ALso keep in mind that the powervr chips are deffered rendering so that might not even be the true fillrate of the board.
There was an article some one posted within the Console Forum where sega discussed the power similarities (along with their strengths and weaknesses) between the Chihiro and Naomi2.
Its really too bad the system 246 has taken the position as the most supported arcade board. I would love to see exactly what the Naomi 2 can do.
I am not exactly well versed on tile rendering. My understanding is the technique maximizing performance by cutting down on needless and costly over draw. A better explanation would be appreciated.
Simon F would explain much bettter than I would. But Your basicly right. Take the fillrate of the card (lets use the dreamcast for this) 100mhz with 1 pipeline (I'm pretty sure its been awhile) so 100x1 is 100mpixel fillrate. You then find out the overdraw in the scene. Some say anywhere from 5-6 and as low as 2. But lets use 2 . So its now a 100x1x2 = 200mpixels .
It is why the kyro with the specs of a tnt 2 ultra often outperformed the geforce 2 and even the ultra version
Legion said:
5 to 6 times? I can understand the method would optimize the use of fillrate but the card is still limited by computational power.
dare i say it, even the PS2?. It makes your wonder how different the DC and PS2 really were in terms of power.
Well look at it this way. THe most commen example is . There is a wall. Infront of the wall there is a monster. So a normal render will draw the whole wall and then the monster. The powervr chip would draw only what you can see of the wall and then the whole monster.
Take it further. There is a wall . A monster in front of it , a bar , a few chairs , a couple more monsters still in plain site . Think of how much extra rendering would be done on other products. Other companys have come up with some ways to help that problem out. But there is nothing like a power vr card to save fillrate .
Where's the option for a full MBX (with VGP) based system? That would pretty much be a DC handheld (with a few more features).
hesitated between the PSP and the DC-based, finally voted for the DC-based handheld as it's well-proven tech with never fully utilised potential. but i have one (big) remark - it's got to be more than a DC functional replica - got to be multifunctional, and the way to that is through openness to development (of the sort of the palm, pc or the ngage*). at least kallistiOS should be able to run on it _and_ there should be a writable media (flash based preferrable). the device may or may not run a pricy commercial os (read wince) - fine with me as long as i'm not stuck with that os.
* under symbian, that is
* under symbian, that is
For me it's either the PSP, GCP, or GP32-style handheld. I voted for GCP though, since it would be coming from Nintendo and I feel that they do a great job on handheld software. 'Course, the PSP plays movies and the GP32-style thing plays other software. Honestly it's going to come down to the games, in actuality. I'm pretty much set on getting the GBA2 game-wise, but if the PSP hardware is more advanced and at equal price (or close) with good games I might get that instead.
Legion said:
For reference, I don't think Moore "misquoted" him in that specific way either. He was certainly an ass and heavily editied the speech beyong all proportion (pulling the "from my cold, dead, hands" part from a Charlotte, N.C. speech a year later) but the "pry" line doesn't appear in his hackjob either. I think the line has basically been adopted by people talking about it, and in a lot of "swag"--posters, bumper stickers, and all that--both by people for and against the NRA, and likely a lot of the press one way or another coming from Heston's Charlotte speech. People were using it just as improperly well before Bowling for Columbine came out; the movie mainly re-popularized the phrase because of the attention. Every side--for and against, press and layman--has used that phrase before. Makes me wonder just what the actual origins are. Simply good soundbytes from commentary on his end cry in Charlotte? An interview conducted some time before or after and spliced with his other words?
I think it was a popular gun-rights slogan long before Heston's speech actually--with him just referring it in his speech. After all, his concluding line doesn't really make sense unless you already KNOW the rest.
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WTF? I was positive I'd hit "PM" for this one! D'oh... Sorry for the OT again, folks. ^_^;; Just enjoy the info and pass on by...
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I was hoping Nintendo would use matrix ROM carts for the next GameBoy. I really would rather a portable with no moving parts. Not to mention keeping backwards compatibility with GB-GBA.
i voted "other". i'm most likey gonna get the next nintendo handheld. well.. i'm most likely gonna get them all eventualy, i'm a handheld junkie, but i see the nintendo handheld being my "primary" unit.
the big question for me is will the next nintendo handheld maintain backwards compatability with current/past gameboy games. with the sony unit using a high capacity (relativly) media will nintendo also switch to a latger media format, and will this affect backwards compatability in any way.
the dream handheld for me would be fully backwards compatable with previous gameby games (i NEED tetris, and i prefer not to buy it again), have built in support for e-reader, wireless conectivity, and a feature set similar to that of the dc. but hardware specs are honestly less important to me than connectivity and features. for handhelds the point of diminishing returns is met much sooner than for home consoles because of screen size. battery life, size/weight, and fun games are more important to me. if nintendo's next handheld wad every feature i wish for, but is only as powerfull as a ps1/n64 i'd still be onboard for it.
price is also a concern. a handheld system shouldn't be more than $100, no matter how many features it has. if i had a $300 handheld i'd probly never let it leave the house. knowing me i'd leve the thing someplace, drop it and beak it, or get it stolen from me. speaking of dropping things, i can presonaly vouge for the fact that a gbasp can survive a s 7 ft drop, and a flight of stairs. running it over with a truck cracks the screen, though.
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the big question for me is will the next nintendo handheld maintain backwards compatability with current/past gameboy games. with the sony unit using a high capacity (relativly) media will nintendo also switch to a latger media format, and will this affect backwards compatability in any way.
the dream handheld for me would be fully backwards compatable with previous gameby games (i NEED tetris, and i prefer not to buy it again), have built in support for e-reader, wireless conectivity, and a feature set similar to that of the dc. but hardware specs are honestly less important to me than connectivity and features. for handhelds the point of diminishing returns is met much sooner than for home consoles because of screen size. battery life, size/weight, and fun games are more important to me. if nintendo's next handheld wad every feature i wish for, but is only as powerfull as a ps1/n64 i'd still be onboard for it.
price is also a concern. a handheld system shouldn't be more than $100, no matter how many features it has. if i had a $300 handheld i'd probly never let it leave the house. knowing me i'd leve the thing someplace, drop it and beak it, or get it stolen from me. speaking of dropping things, i can presonaly vouge for the fact that a gbasp can survive a s 7 ft drop, and a flight of stairs. running it over with a truck cracks the screen, though.
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...yet somehow people haven't stopped buying high-tech cell phones or PDAs, and HD-based MP3 players only get more and more popular...
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