Bah I dont even wanna know the price of their next monstrosity ;P... I just got my radeon 9800 non pro with its 8 pipes and 256 bit ram for 381$ can$ on the road and the latest games are so fluid now its not funny... 3dmark 2003 default 4580 on a athlon 2400+ with 512 ram and sapphirre non pro 128 megger... Not the se btw...