I really don't remember when DVD's took off, but I certaintly remember have my dvd sitting on top of my video recorder. I think it's right to say that the HD era will take off when players are below £100 and the discs are below a tenner. Blu-ray prices at the moment are a complete rip-off.
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DuckThor Evil
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In order to see the difference between HD and SD on a smaller display, you need to have slightly trained eye, and normal "folks" don't really have that. The difference is very big to me, but when I show stuff to my friends/family I almost always find myself explaining to them what the differences are instead of watching their dropped jaws. Granted it would be easier if I could switch between DVD and Blu-ray on the fly.
My opinion is that HD-movies are not really that important to your average people and imo Blu-ray surpassing DVD will only happen, because the markets will force them into people's homes instead of them itself having a huge demand. This will take some time though as the prices will have to go down A LOT.
Also one thing that personally annoys me with the HD world, is that the picture quality varies a lot more during a film/program, than what it does with DVD. Good example is the Planet Earth box set. At times the picture quality is jaw dropping, but the next scene can be abysmal. If there is one weak link in the chain between the camera and your telly the end result will suffer greatly.
My opinion is that HD-movies are not really that important to your average people and imo Blu-ray surpassing DVD will only happen, because the markets will force them into people's homes instead of them itself having a huge demand. This will take some time though as the prices will have to go down A LOT.
Also one thing that personally annoys me with the HD world, is that the picture quality varies a lot more during a film/program, than what it does with DVD. Good example is the Planet Earth box set. At times the picture quality is jaw dropping, but the next scene can be abysmal. If there is one weak link in the chain between the camera and your telly the end result will suffer greatly.
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In the US, they've been running a lot of 2 for 1 deals, effectively lowering the price of Blu-Ray discs to $10-15.
Also a lot of bundling deals with hardware.
I'm sure the studios look at this data, seeing sales spikes with these promos.
If they really wanted to replace DVD sales with Blu-Ray sales, they know what price points they must reach.
Also a lot of bundling deals with hardware.
I'm sure the studios look at this data, seeing sales spikes with these promos.
If they really wanted to replace DVD sales with Blu-Ray sales, they know what price points they must reach.
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true. i typed that message late last night and i was in a hurry. i shouldn't have mentioned 1080i, only 720p.
wco81, is the 6 million figure safe to quote ? It's just for my own tracking but would be nice if you can cite a source.
The last study I found on HDTV penetration.About 14%.
http://www.nielsen.com/media/2007/pr_071030a.html
http://www.nielsen.com/media/2007/pr_071030a.html
Well Nielsen should be more impartial than the CEA:
http://www.ce.org/Press/CurrentNews/press_release_detail.asp?id=11425
Still that's a big disparity.
14% is only about 14 million households. They sell more than 14 million units a year, unless each of those households have like 3 or 4 HDTVs.
patsu, I don't recall where I read it. Probably at an AVSForum thread where they're discussing AppleTV and iTunes movie sales vs. HDM sales.
quest55720
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It was not the PQ/SQ that won it for DVD. It was all about things like no rewind, durability and form factor. DVD having superior PQ/SQ was just a bonus that could be seen on every tv in the house. People did not have to give up recordablity they just kept the VCRs to record TV until DVRs took off. DVD was a complete revolution blu is just and evolution like SACD or DVD-a.
Also the jump from VHS to DVD is a hell of a lot more than the jump from DVD to HDM. Go put in an old vhs tape and find out how rotten it really was.
I am only going to slightly disagree about the last part. The issue for most people is film, I have not really run into anyone that has had a problem distinguishing between SD/ED Video and HD video, which is typically why jaws hit the floor when people see Discovery HD , on the flip-side I have run into more than a handful of people that cannot distinguish between any film resolution.
"Apple HD" is not compareble to 1080p on BluRay or HD-DVD. And from those 7 million, how many are in "Apple HD" ?
When you really think about, the idea that 50% of all households have an HDTV sounds way too much. Now if your study said that 50% of all new TV sales were HD,that would make sense,but new sales don't account for all the old sets sitting in peoples homes that they are perfectly content with.
Currently 0 are Apple HD. It is only available to AppleTV users. And the update to the AppleTV hasn't been released yet (afaik).
Re: HDTV market penetration - the last figures I heard were on the north side of 20% *before* the holidays. I'll see if I can find a source for that, but I'm pretty sure I've seen the figure thrown about these very forums previously.
The release says for instance that they forecast 32 million units in 2008 and 80% of those will be HDTVs.
At least at the big chains, you won't find non-HDTV digitals. Maybe some 480p TVs for LCDs smaller than 20-inch.
Now with the analog shutoff, maybe more people will buy the cheapest digital TV they can get, which would be these small 480p panels.
There are few larger screens being produced which aren't HD or at least XGA resolution. The CE companies have invested billions in the past 5 years to ramp up capacity, typically for new factories which can handle increasing sizes of glass.
The investment and production have been in these large screens, not the 20-inch and smaller TVs.
The retail channel has been set up to move the bigger screens. Look at a large chain and see how much display and inventory they carry of big-screen HDTVs compared to smaller non HDTVs.
Look at how much advertising they do of the big-screens on their Sunday ads, compared to these non-HDTV models.
They would not be investing all this money all down the chain, if they weren't moving tens of millions of units a year.
Yes it says they expect 79% of the 32 million DTV's sold this year to be HDTV's.
While that may be true (although I still see some edtv's being sold) today, it was not necessarily true last year and the year before, when there were a lot of larger EDTVs being pushed.
Where has analog been shut off? And you still wouldn't really need a digital TV, just a stupid box that pretty much every cable company will give you with a package.
Today perhaps, but when talking about the 'installed' number you have to count all those TVs sold 3-5 years ago, most of the people who bought one of those probably isn't going to rush out and buy a new one.
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My guess is that the CEA study is including set-top boxes paired with TVs as a "digital TV".
50% of households is rather ridiculous for pure DTV penetration. I don't think enough DTVs have been sold for that to be possible, even if no household had more than one (which, of course, isn't true).
50% of households is rather ridiculous for pure DTV penetration. I don't think enough DTVs have been sold for that to be possible, even if no household had more than one (which, of course, isn't true).
That's the thing, industry has been claiming high double-digit sales increases for years.
If you look at the advertising, resolution is a prominent part of the selling-point.
So millions of big-screen HDTVs are accumulating. They're growing faster than the number of households.
Either the installed base ratio is increasing and/or a lot of households are buying up several.
If you look at the advertising, resolution is a prominent part of the selling-point.
So millions of big-screen HDTVs are accumulating. They're growing faster than the number of households.
Either the installed base ratio is increasing and/or a lot of households are buying up several.
The situation isn't unlike 2001 when MS launched Xbox and XBL on the promise of broadband penetration.
Back then it was well under 50%, both in actual installation and availability of broadband options.
If we're still at 20% or under, where did all the millions of big screens the industry has been touting gone?
Sure there are a lot of homes with more than one HDTVs but is it the majority of households which have HDTVs?
Who knows, the CEA may be referring to computer monitors too.
Back then it was well under 50%, both in actual installation and availability of broadband options.
If we're still at 20% or under, where did all the millions of big screens the industry has been touting gone?
Sure there are a lot of homes with more than one HDTVs but is it the majority of households which have HDTVs?
Who knows, the CEA may be referring to computer monitors too.
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