djskribbles
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if you were referring to the article Nerve-Damage posted, those are blu-ray disc player sales.
Warner Exclusive Blu-ray= More PS3 sold?
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Sorry for the missunderstanding.
According to this post they sold 21,770 blu-ray player/week just a week ago.
I just thought it seemed kind of strange if the number of players sold is higher than the number of discs sold.
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+1. i think Laa-Yosh is confusing player sales with movie sales (judging by his response in the warner blu-ray exclusive thread). unless movie sales are similar to player sales... then it would surprise me as well.
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More than twice as many (& upto 3 times as many in some territories) as HD-DVDs that's for sure..
Altough I have a question to ask..
What's the percentage of HDTV penetration in the US to date?
My point is that as HDTV penetration increases, consumer demand for HD content will only increase as well & as a result Blu-ray sales will (without question) pick up, especially when all those PS3 owners realise (if they hadn't already) that they already have a blu-ray player sat under there TV.. This may or may not have a positive effect on PS3 sales but I don't think there's much doubt against the fact that this is going to happen..
Most people can't see any difference at all between DVD and HD. On most 1366*768 TVs the difference is indeed less than on a 1080p panel, but those are still considered to be premium category TVs (that's how manufacturers are positioning them).
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i think it depends on how well your TV/HD player scales the 1080p native image. but in most cases, 1080p on a 1080p set vs 1080p scaled to 1080i or 720p won't much much of a difference. it also depends greatly on how good the HD transfer was. i think in some cases (i do admit not often) an HD version can look very noticeably better than the DVD version. but in most cases, you're right... most people probably don't notice much, if any of a difference between HD and DVD, especially on older CRT-based HDTV's. personally, i notice the difference on all the HD movies i've seen, and my TV is 720p native, and i have a PS3 which is very good at upscaling DVD's.
I'm still amazed at statements like these. Having compared POTC on upscaled DVD and Blu-ray, there is a big difference in PQ. And At World's End is even more impressive than the previous two films.
If people claim there is no difference, I think they are failing to distinguish between not caring about the difference and the difference actually being there.
Not sure how this relates to the NPD though...
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what? 1080i on a 1080p set and 1080p on a 1080p set should produce the same image. Also, your usage of the word scaling for 1080p to 1080i should be rethought.
EDIT: Move my OT, as well, please.
I'm not saying there's no difference, but that most people can't see it or don't care about it.
Anything under 40 inch is usually too small to bring out HD's advantages in everyday conditions (normal sized living rooms), and most 42 inch plasma TVs don't have enough resolution (1024*768). Large 1080p LCDs and plasmas were quite expensive until recently, and you need those to see how good BR can look. And even then, you'd better be an AV enthusiast to appreciate it.
Don't care maybe, but the difference is definitely there, and on a 720p as well. I realized this in clear fashion watching Superbad with some friends over the weekend. Even in the theater, a fairly severe burn on character "Seth"s right arm is indistinguishable from the rest of of his arm, yet on the BD not only was it the first time it had been picked up by any of us, it was super-distinct. It's not just the number of pixels being displayed on screen, but the information itself associated with each frame that makes HD a clear step up from SD. Now, maybe different things need take place for different people for it to be 'clear' to them as well, but it's definitely a large step ahead of upscaling in terms of fidelity, and this additional information is present whether the screen be 1080p, 1080i, or 720p.
Thats a much more valid point to discuss because people who cant see much of a difference must be blind. I do think its a misjudgment to purely concentrate on sales though; sales of the format wont stay static for obvious reasons.
According to the transcript of BDA CES conference here, US$170 mil worth of Blu-ray disc was sold in 2007. In 2008, they expect US$1b. This may be "shipped-to" revenue but I am not sure.
HD DVD sold-through about 1/2 of Blu-ray in US, 1/3 to 1/2 in Europe, and less elsewhere (may be 1/7 to 1/10). You will need to formulate your own estimates to get a rough total next gen movie sales/shipped figure.
I believe Blu-ray said they sold through > 1 million titles in April 2007. This was before all of the BOGO sales and PS3 price drop. So subsequent performance should be noticeably better.
Everyone to each his own.
I´ve got a 32" 720p LCD and the first time I popped in a blu-ray and watched the intro-sequence of "Casino Royal" I was literally stunned. It was late at night and I had planned to just check out what it looked like, but I sat through the full movie.
I´ve later learnt that is one of the better HD-encoded films around, and it sure upped my appetite for HD content.
I would be really surprised if there will not be a large market for HD content given that the numbers of HD capable screens is growing rapidly. I personally believe most people will notice the difference between HD and non HD content when they are comparing screens in the shop, given its properly encoded.
The CEA (Consumer Electronics Association) announced before CES that 50% of US households had digital TVs, most of them HDTVs. There are 100-110 million households.
They also forecasted 32 million units of digital TVs to be sold in 2008, with 79% being HDTVs. US will shut off analog broadcasts about a year from now.
They have the press release at their web site.
A lot of retailers were bundling Blu-Ray players with HDTVs or at least discounting the combined purchase price before Xmas.
Now, in the weeks leading to the Super Bowl, which is the other time of the year where there are high sales of big-screens (which in the US consists entirely of HDTVs), there may not be as many such bundling deals.
Olympics should also help push HDTV sales.
Regarding sales of high-def discs, when Apple said they'd sold 7 million movies since they started selling movie downloads on iTunes, it was noted that that number was slightly higher than the combined Blu-Ray, HD-DVD sales of about 6 million.
I don't know if that's for the past year or since the inception of the formats, which were in the 3rd and 4th quarter of 2006.
Blu-Ray has about 66% market share in disc sales in the US and higher in other regions.
So you can extrapolate.
Some of the higher-profile releases on either format have gone into the 200k range at release, IIRC.
Overall sales for DVD and DVD rentals were slightly down in 2007. Studios have expressed hope things will be different in 2008 and they're expecting strong growth in HDM.
I don't know if that's for the past year or since the inception of the formats, which were in the 3rd and 4th quarter of 2006.
Blu-Ray has about 66% market share in disc sales in the US and higher in other regions.
So you can extrapolate.
Some of the higher-profile releases on either format have gone into the 200k range at release, IIRC.
Overall sales for DVD and DVD rentals were slightly down in 2007. Studios have expressed hope things will be different in 2008 and they're expecting strong growth in HDM.
Typically people don't see the difference...at first. But when/if they see the same movie on DVD again, it hurts their eyes
There’s no doubt that the PS3 is going to see a sales spike due to the Warner deal. You only need go to AV forums to see this. Interestingly though most say they are not interested in games. Lets be honest Sony could not let Blu-Ray come second, if they had it would have been a massive set back for them financially.
With regards to HD material, all I can say I have A Pani pv500 37 inch. We watch it from 8 feet away. I have 10 HD-DVD's and 3 Blu-Rays. In the main I have major problems telling the difference between DVD and HD material. Really I do. I can see it buts it’s marginal for me. My wife and my 11yr boy can see no difference at all and they repeatedly point out I have wasted a load of cash.
It seems to me the bigger the screen the more obvious the difference will be. But in my eyes the jump from VHS to DVD was clean, from DVD especially upscale material it’s not so clear cut.
With regards to HD material, all I can say I have A Pani pv500 37 inch. We watch it from 8 feet away. I have 10 HD-DVD's and 3 Blu-Rays. In the main I have major problems telling the difference between DVD and HD material. Really I do. I can see it buts it’s marginal for me. My wife and my 11yr boy can see no difference at all and they repeatedly point out I have wasted a load of cash.
It seems to me the bigger the screen the more obvious the difference will be. But in my eyes the jump from VHS to DVD was clean, from DVD especially upscale material it’s not so clear cut.
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I seem to recall some people saying before DVD really took off that VHS quality was good enough for the mass market and that people didn't want to give up recordability.
What made DVD take off, besides the cheap players, was cheap discs, which could be impulse purchases while you're waiting in the checkout line at the supermarket.
What made DVD take off, besides the cheap players, was cheap discs, which could be impulse purchases while you're waiting in the checkout line at the supermarket.
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