The aliasing aargh my eyes

[bloodbob]

Just bought a 24 in benq FP241W man I wish it didn't have the aliasing damn crts are nice

Putting the screen on a solid red green or blue makes my head go crazy.

 

[BRiT]

You mean you wish it had the automatic fuzzy-filter that non-crisp CRTs have?

 

[bloodbob]

You mean you wish it had the automatic fuzzy-filter that non-crisp CRTs have?

No a nice crisp mask like the trinitron.

 

[Bludd]

How do you feel about the screen? Will you keep it or return it? Is this a huge problem?

 

[Moloch]

No a nice crisp mask like the trinitron.

Hmm, I curently use a nice "cript" 17" trinitron and just bought a Dell E228WFP, under 300 bucks= too easy.
Hopefully I won't be too dissapointed with it being a TN panal.

 

[Mintmaster]

You mean you wish it had the automatic fuzzy-filter that non-crisp CRTs have?

Yeah, why not? Computer CRTs don't blur pixels together, they just blur the edges of pixels together, which is a good thing.

LCD's have pixel edges that are sharper than the information given to them, so they're creating false high-frequency data. If you could capture the mean-square error of what you see versus what an infinite-resolution display would show, a CRT would fare much better than a LCD under most circumstances, provided that your dot pitch is small enough.

 

[London Geezer]

Just bought a 24 in benq FP241W man I wish it didn't have the aliasing damn crts are nice

Putting the screen on a solid red green or blue makes my head go crazy.

Ok sorry for being slow, but how can you see aliasing on a "solid red green or blue"... If that means the whole screen is of one colour, then how do you see aliasing??

Besides, once the pixels are so small that your eyes can't see them, things get much better. You just need higher res.

 

[NIB]

Enable true type fonts.

 

[Moloch]

Yeah, why not? Computer CRTs don't blur pixels together, they just blur the edges of pixels together, which is a good thing.

LCD's have pixel edges that are sharper than the information given to them, so they're creating false high-frequency data. If you could capture the mean-square error of what you see versus what an infinite-resolution display would show, a CRT would fare much better than a LCD under most circumstances, provided that your dot pitch is small enough.

How small of dotpitch we talkin?
.10mm?

 

[Xmas]

Enable true type fonts.

I think you mean ClearType.

Ok sorry for being slow, but how can you see aliasing on a "solid red green or blue"... If that means the whole screen is of one colour, then how do you see aliasing??

Maybe he's referring to the striping effect here which can indeed be annoying, especially with red.

Yeah, why not? Computer CRTs don't blur pixels together, they just blur the edges of pixels together, which is a good thing.

LCD's have pixel edges that are sharper than the information given to them, so they're creating false high-frequency data. If you could capture the mean-square error of what you see versus what an infinite-resolution display would show, a CRT would fare much better than a LCD under most circumstances, provided that your dot pitch is small enough.

The "information given to them" is discrete, per-pixel color data. There is no clear definition of what should be in between those sample points. The blurring in CRTs is usually too strong to be considered a good thing.

 

[neliz]

Aliasing is much more prominent on LCD/Plasma than on CRT's no matter what grade of equipment.

If you guys remember the HL2 AA "issue" that HardOCP spotted, it would show in general that ATI seemed to optimeize for CRT displays as their AA looked much better there than on a plasma/LCD the other way around it was the same, nV had superior AA on flat panel displays..

I'm just wondering what you are working with that shows Aliasing so obvious.. photoshop?

 

[Bludd]

I downloaded the ClearType tuning Powertoy and I can choose between RGB and BGR LCD Screen striping. Is there any way of knowing which striping type a given LCD uses?

 

[Jawed]

I downloaded the ClearType tuning Powertoy and I can choose between RGB and BGR LCD Screen striping. Is there any way of knowing which striping type a given LCD uses?

Use the wizard, it gives you an interactive "which looks better" tweaker utility that resolves the issue of not knowing.

Jawed

 

[Jawed]

One issue with LCDs, at least those using analogue (VGA rather than DVI) inputs is that they often apply sharpening

So if you happen to be using VGA and the monitor has adjustable sharpening, then try turning it down.

I hate big-arse pixels - I want about 200 pixels per inch. If laptop LCD screens can do dense pixels, 150ppi or more (and some can look really nice) why can't desktop LCDs?

Oh, hang on, of course, XP is useless at scaling to account for the dpi of your monitor I really hope Vista fixes this once and for all.

Jawed

 

[Bludd]

Use the wizard, it gives you an interactive "which looks better" tweaker utility that resolves the issue of not knowing.

Jawed

Yes, okay, but there must surely be a way of testing this to find out? Knowing is good.

 

[Jawed]

Yes, okay, but there must surely be a way of testing this to find out? Knowing is good.

When you've finished tweaking and revisit the control panel you should see the setting which tells you!

Then, get out your magnifying glass (or digicam) and zoom in on the screen to see if you and the wizard got it right

Jawed

 

[Bludd]

But this requires me making an effort!

 

[Albuquerque]

But this requires me making an effort!

Knowledge requires effort

Oh, hang on, of course, XP is useless at scaling to account for the dpi of your monitor I really hope Vista fixes this once and for all.

Yeah, XP sucks wind when it comes to proper DPI scaling. In my testing, Vista functions exactly as you would expect a proper OS to behave with DPI scaling -- fonts, icons and GUI elements all properly and proportionally change as the DPI is manipulated.

Glad they fixed it eventually, even if it should've been fixed eons ago...

 

[Xmas]

It's not really fixed unless SVG icons are supported and scaling of bitmaps is a separate option (with higher quality scaling than what is used in IE6 for example).

 

[NIB]

I think you mean ClearType.

Yes, those