Technological discussion on PS3 security and crack.*

Seems pretty suspicious every hardware is hacked except the PS3. Including Sony's handhelds, which by the way the PSP was widely disliked compared to the DS back in the day, which is probably why it was cracked. And we're told it's a virtual axiom that all hardware/DRM will be cracked.

I'm pretty sure hackers dont try to crack the PS3. I'm guessing if the PS3 had a big target called "Microsoft" stamped on the side, it would have been cracked about 4 years ago.

That's a ridiculous assumption to make. Pirates want free PS3 games as much as they want free Xbox games (probably more since PSN play is free while XBLG costs money).

All we know is that every attempt to hack the device has so far failed, and there have been many. If anything Sony have been a bigger target for all types of geeks and hackers since the rootkit days and because of ATRAC and their unnecessary DRM. Please, drop the BS about 360 being hacked because it is popular (or as you suggest, unpopular). Consoles get hacked because they have weaknesses. So far no one has found a weakness in the PS3 that would lead to it being hacked. That's all it is, when they do, it will get busted open like 360, Wii, PSP and DS.

Don't forget HD DVD/AACS (as infantile and unpopular as it was) got hacked within 9 months. Hardly anyone had a player and writers didn't exist until very late in the game, but it still got hacked. Popularity has nothing to do with it. I mean HD DVD was the hackers favourite, they hated Blu-ray but they still hacked it. PS3 is hardly the hackers favourite, and since the demise of Linux (RIP) it has had a very big target painted on it...
 
I'll add to the last paragraph on the last post.

Remember when PS3 launched, virtually all of the PS3 launch games were dumped as ISOs on basically the same day as the launch and for a couple of months you could download these ISOs off of torrent sites.

Basically someone magically got their hands on a back then $1000 dollar BR-Rom drive, somehow magically had ripping software and was sharing it along with all of the PS2 games.

The people that say that piracy does not affect sales are the blind, tell me where can we find sales numbers of sold mod chips, yet these mod chip makers (last gen) kept having the funding to make revisions and more revisions of these mod chips, I don't think they were pirating silicone chip fabs here. ;)

almost all of the traditional game consoles have tried to prevent piracy in some way or another, iirc the PS2 took a WHILE before it was successfully hacked and Sony responded with a revision, eventually there were mod chips that worked up to a certain revision of the console, Nintendo used the mini-dvd like drive because you could just not go out and buy the discs and the burners and it worked for a while so what did they do other than trying mods, emulation, GC was hacked by emulation (like the n64 was so publicly done and basically advertised on magazines) but there was a price because it demanded an expensive for its time setup, then they turned over to Wii emulation, PS2 emulation was not easy, it still is not easy yet there are a bunch of people too lazy to buy a $99 dollar PS2 and sub $40 dollar or far less games and instead they invest in the last two years high end Intel CPUs and Nv/Ati gpus AND they overclock the things just to get games running it really is malicious and shows that these people really don't care about the industry or videogame as an artform and entertainment.

BTW currently emulation is being advertised in articles by so called journalist gaming media sites.

Microsoft is trying to do updates, they learned from when the first XBox was hacked and people were selling xbox1s customized with 1.4Ghz Celerons with multiplier switches (to change clock speeds) additional ram and custom harddrive hacked software but its not enough so they brick a console if and when they find it (360) its surprising noone tries to do a class action suit or maybe they don't have excuses.

Linux iirc was ran on PSx, PS2, PS3, DC and Xbox 1 either legally allowed or hacked but it was never a usefull selling feature for these game consoles when people were supposed to be buying them for games so if its missing like Rob the robot no one has any excuse to cry a river about it.
 
That's a ridiculous assumption to make. Pirates want free PS3 games as much as they want free Xbox games (probably more since PSN play is free while XBLG costs money).

All we know is that every attempt to hack the device has so far failed, and there have been many. If anything Sony have been a bigger target for all types of geeks and hackers since the rootkit days and because of ATRAC and their unnecessary DRM. Please, drop the BS about 360 being hacked because it is popular (or as you suggest, unpopular). Consoles get hacked because they have weaknesses. So far no one has found a weakness in the PS3 that would lead to it being hacked. That's all it is, when they do, it will get busted open like 360, Wii, PSP and DS.

Don't forget HD DVD/AACS (as infantile and unpopular as it was) got hacked within 9 months. Hardly anyone had a player and writers didn't exist until very late in the game, but it still got hacked. Popularity has nothing to do with it. I mean HD DVD was the hackers favourite, they hated Blu-ray but they still hacked it. PS3 is hardly the hackers favourite, and since the demise of Linux (RIP) it has had a very big target painted on it...

I know I rather download a 6 gig game then a 25-50 gig game personaly. I don't even see strait bluray movie rips. People will try and pair them down. Even in this age 25 gigs is alot of data to download and more so blurays are still expensive. I can get 20 dl dvds for $10 bucks however a single 25 gig bluray is going to cost me $2-4 depending on speed and 50 gig blurays are even more at $13 for a 2x 50 gig disc. Drives are still 2-3 times more expensive also.

So when you add

Download size
disc cost
disc burning time
optical burner cost
and an extremely similar library to an easier to crack system .

It makes you wonde who would actually want to try and hack the ps3.


If the ps3 was the dominate system this gen and not in last place I bet we would have seen it hacked a long time ago
 
So when you add

Download size
disc cost
disc burning time
optical burner cost

and an extremely similar library to an easier to crack system .


It makes you wonde who would actually want to try and hack the ps3.

You are right, these points proof nobody will ever try to hack the PS2.

If the ps3 was the dominate system this gen and not in last place I bet we would have seen it hacked a long time ago

Cause the money making potential is only gazillions/2 instead of gazillions ?
 
Not really people have incentive to hack to get things for free. It's not like the PS3 is the neogeo either. There is quite a large base and enough quality games for it to get hacked. There is no conspiracy here. Just one company was better at protecting itself this time around. I'm sure they'll all learn from this and incorporate something similar which may or may not eventually get cracked.
 
I know I rather download a 6 gig game then a 25-50 gig game personaly. I don't even see strait bluray movie rips. People will try and pair them down. Even in this age 25 gigs is alot of data to download and more so blurays are still expensive. I can get 20 dl dvds for $10 bucks however a single 25 gig bluray is going to cost me $2-4 depending on speed and 50 gig blurays are even more at $13 for a 2x 50 gig disc. Drives are still 2-3 times more expensive also.

So when you add

Download size
disc cost
disc burning time
optical burner cost
and an extremely similar library to an easier to crack system .

It makes you wonde who would actually want to try and hack the ps3.


If the ps3 was the dominate system this gen and not in last place I bet we would have seen it hacked a long time ago

Since when did hacking a system come down to how cheap it is for people to pirate games. It is irrelevant wether it cost YOU £1 or £5 to pirate a game to the hacker. Im pretty sure there has been just as much if not more effort put into hacking the PS3 than the 360, very little effort was put into the 360 at all once the DVD drive was relatively easily hacked. Not to mention that the PS3 is more or just as popular pretty much everywhere else other than US. Lets not also forget that there would be money to be made from Modchips on PS3 unlike 360. Also mass replication of counterfiet games is a potential money maker.
 
I know I rather download a 6 gig game then a 25-50 gig game personaly. I don't even see strait bluray movie rips. People will try and pair them down. Even in this age 25 gigs is alot of data to download and more so blurays are still expensive. I can get 20 dl dvds for $10 bucks however a single 25 gig bluray is going to cost me $2-4 depending on speed and 50 gig blurays are even more at $13 for a 2x 50 gig disc. Drives are still 2-3 times more expensive also.

I'm in China now. I should go see if they have Blu-Ray movies for cheap. My guess is the pressing facility is still too expensive. We have pirated HD movies for download in it's first year (during the HDM war).

and an extremely similar library to an easier to crack system .

It makes you wonde who would actually want to try and hack the ps3.

The super hackers would want to do it for advancing the art. But yes, the regular ones would simply pirate the easier systems for good profit.

If the ps3 was the dominate system this gen and not in last place I bet we would have seen it hacked a long time ago

Nope. We have already seen very competent teams, not just one hacker, attempting to hack the system completely, but no "good" news yet. They are probably still trying as we speak.
 
If the ps3 was the dominate system this gen and not in last place I bet we would have seen it hacked a long time ago

BS. The OGXBOX was hacked extremely quickly and it was the last place system last gen. Why is it so hard to accept that the PS3 is very hard to crack for you guys?

It's not like the 360 is easy to crack either, you either get a box where the e-fuses weren't blown out, so you can still use the JTAG hack and run anything you want on there, or you just flash the DVD drive which isn't secured like the rest of the system. There is no way to currently hack a 360 with the 2009 update that blew the e-fuses, besides the DVD method, which isn't a true hack but it serves the number 1 purpose of hacking, which is pirating games for cheap.
 
BS. The OGXBOX was hacked extremely quickly and it was the last place system last gen. Why is it so hard to accept that the PS3 is very hard to crack for you guys?
more telling is the ps3 will soon have outsold the xbox1 and gamecube combined (which were both hacked), eastmen's quote is nearly signature worthy for its nuttiness, though if u look at the rpsc forum he has a tendency to come up with quite a few
 
In cases where original games are very expensive, people have imported or resorted to piracy (often using the very fact that original games are expensive and importing is a hassle/expensive), rather than "buy the game, copy it, play the copy and store the original in a treasure box", the originals might just get stolen anyway.

atleast in my country the condition is like i stated (for game with online capability). But yeah, for singleplayer games, most the gamer here just buy the pirated copy.

the pirated copy can easily be found on shopping mall. But original game must be imported/ordered.
 
If the ps3 was the dominate system this gen and not in last place I bet we would have seen it hacked a long time ago

Just the fact that the PS3 isn´t cracked yet makes it extremely attractive. Whoever makes the first kill earns the most money.
 
Not to mention that the original Xbox was cracked and heavily pirated despite being a very distant second to the PS2. The gap between the two HD systems (4-5 million) is nothing.

Heck, the GC was exploited as well.
 
The real question is when will Sony lean on PS3's strong security to persue emerging markets (or markets with high piracy rate) more aggressively. Some ideas from the PS+ plan may (or may not) be feasible there.

At the moment, I think Sony is still selling (or just started to push) PS2 in these markets -- which may make business sense, but may also have limited impact in the long run.
 
I'd guess, about when they can manage to get the cost to manufacture a PS3 down to ~99 USD. Those same markets are going to be pretty price sensitive, so I don't think a 300 USD console is going to do particularly well if the people buying it also have to buy the games at retail prices rather than pay pirated prices or pirate it themselves..

Considering how strong the yen currently is, I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.

Regards,
SB
 
For example, here's Sony persuing India market with PS3 and PS Move:
http://tech2.in.com/india/topstuff/games/playstation-move-in-india-by-september/132192/0

I believe they also funded Indian developers to create local content (e.g., http://www.indianvideogamer.com/2010/02/gameshastra-to-make-indias-first-ps3-game/)

However without fudging the business model, PS3 games will be more expensive compared to pirated games on other platforms (including PS2).

Iwata has similar need to enter emerging markets too:
http://gamasutra.com/view/news/29712/Iwata_It_Is_Vital_For_Nintendo_To_Enter_Emerging_Markets.php
 
The real question is when will Sony lean on PS3's strong security to persue emerging markets (or markets with high piracy rate) more aggressively. Some ideas from the PS+ plan may (or may not) be feasible there.

At the moment, I think Sony is still selling (or just started to push) PS2 in these markets -- which may make business sense, but may also have limited impact in the long run.

They will do it when the PS3 hardware is profitable alone without requiring any game purchases or subscriptions. Also when PS3 software becomes irrelevant to third parties as a revenue source and games are either inexpensive to make or no longer produced.

PS2 is actually selling really well in emerging markets and Sony are cultivating a viable market in a lot of countries by selling hardware at a large profit and not bothering about software. It's why PS2 outshipped 360 the last two quarters.
 
Hacking the PS3 and getting copied games to play on it should result in those responsible to secure a high paying job at Sony!

I find hacking facinating only because it's a competiton/game/war between the people who are trying to make the machine secure and those ingenius enough to find ways around the security. Hacking is an art, some people can learn how to do it; just like they can learn about how colors react and lines disapear for perspective. Yet the true artists see things differently, they take the knowledge they are given and expand it by looking at the canvas or task get creative.

I would love to see the PS3 hacked with a ligitimate video with instructions on how it was done with another segment at the end where the hacker hands the DVD/Blu-Ray/Data to a member of Sony in a conference room..shakes his hand..and walks away.
 
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