http://www.anandtech.com/show/6529/busting-the-x86-power-myth-indepth-clover-trail-power-analysis
They get better battery life.
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/6529/busting-the-x86-power-myth-indepth-clover-trail-power-analysis
They get better battery life.
Blazkowicz
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I'm not too surprised, Atom has been running well even on smartphones (Medfield).
This one, the Clover Trail, has been said to only support Windows
So if you want to tinker and try other stuff (let's say the KDE tablet interface) then you'll lose that battery life as well as the accelerated graphics.
But it's the worst thing I can say about it and 95% of the users aren't interested in wiping the OS.
This one, the Clover Trail, has been said to only support Windows
So if you want to tinker and try other stuff (let's say the KDE tablet interface) then you'll lose that battery life as well as the accelerated graphics.
But it's the worst thing I can say about it and 95% of the users aren't interested in wiping the OS.
This thing has gotten my attention. Early previews are looking promising. If Microsoft have somehow produced something that makes virtually no noise I'll be seriously impressed.
Mintmaster
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I bought a Samsung NP900X3B almost the weekend it came out. I'd been following the ultrabook trend and this one seemed to be the ideal combo of thinness and performance with a great screen. It cost a bomb, too.
I ended up taking it back over noise issues however (you can read the whole sorry story here; my username is the same). I think I'm a real noise-snob however, so if this is as quiet as the previews are making out I'll be impressed.
I ended up taking it back over noise issues however (you can read the whole sorry story here; my username is the same). I think I'm a real noise-snob however, so if this is as quiet as the previews are making out I'll be impressed.
I had a guy around a couple of weeks ago, he couldnt believe my PC was silent, he didnt think such a thing was possible, I dont know what mcsven's knowledge is but I was pointing out that its been possible for a few years to get a decent machine thats near silent. No way Im going back to a desktop that makes sound
Mintmaster
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It's been possible for years before the mac mini came out, too, but whether you compare to those or a mac mini, it's irrelevant because you have gobs of room in them to make a good cooling solution.
Quieting a full x86 processor in a tablet is another matter. It's much harder than doing so in an ultrathin like the MacBook Air (which Apple advertises as improved for 2012, so it's not a solved problem yet) because a tablet has less surface area, smaller mass budget for a heatsink, less volume for airflow, and a heat-producing display on one side.
These first impressions suggest that MS did an excellent job here.
Oh I have no special knowledge, and I recognise that quiet PCs have been out for ages. The Samsung ultrabook I mentioned was silent until the fans started, and even then the noise wasn't outrageous - it was just obvious to me that there was a fan imbalance or something similar and I knew it would continue to grate on me forever. So it had to go.zed said:
That said: there's a difference between an ultrabook and this thing, which has all of the components inside a 13.5mm shell (as Mintmaster said) and includes a touch screen and fully-fledged i5. It looks good...
Here are some more hands on
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/tablets/microsoft-surface-pro-1123800/review
http://www.zdnet.com/hands-on-with-microsofts-surface-pro-7000009572/
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2024690/microsoft-surface-pro-hands-on-impressions-from-ces.html
http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/09/microsoft-surface-pro-hands-on/
http://gizmodo.com/5974705/microsoft-surface-pro-hands+on-this-is-what-it-should-have-been-all-along
http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/9/3857076/microsoft-surface-pro-in-depth-impressions
From what I have read the reviews all say its extremely quiet and you have to put your ear up to the vents to hear the fan. It also stays very cool except two hot spots which get warm.
Everyone seems to like it so far but they have only had 20 mins to 1 hour.
on twitter paul thorrot has tweeted that it has a second usb 3.0 on the power adapter it is also getting a hair over 5 hours of battery life.
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/tablets/microsoft-surface-pro-1123800/review
http://www.zdnet.com/hands-on-with-microsofts-surface-pro-7000009572/
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2024690/microsoft-surface-pro-hands-on-impressions-from-ces.html
http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/09/microsoft-surface-pro-hands-on/
http://gizmodo.com/5974705/microsoft-surface-pro-hands+on-this-is-what-it-should-have-been-all-along
http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/9/3857076/microsoft-surface-pro-in-depth-impressions
From what I have read the reviews all say its extremely quiet and you have to put your ear up to the vents to hear the fan. It also stays very cool except two hot spots which get warm.
Everyone seems to like it so far but they have only had 20 mins to 1 hour.
on twitter paul thorrot has tweeted that it has a second usb 3.0 on the power adapter it is also getting a hair over 5 hours of battery life.
strange list of requirements. Why an Ethernet port ? Is wireless n not good enough (soon one of the new standards ?)
As for a keyboard dock it doesn't matter to me. I have a transformer and the top half (tablet) is to heavy for the dock so even if I try to use it in my lap it will fall over off my legs if I don't keep my hands on it all the time.
The best part of the docks is the extra battery life but if the pro charges as fast as the rt it might not be a big problem for me.
As for a keyboard dock it doesn't matter to me. I have a transformer and the top half (tablet) is to heavy for the dock so even if I try to use it in my lap it will fall over off my legs if I don't keep my hands on it all the time.
The best part of the docks is the extra battery life but if the pro charges as fast as the rt it might not be a big problem for me.
Blazkowicz
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Why an i5, why not Android etc.
Ethernet has many useful charateristics (faster including establishing the connection, few congestion, goes through walls and floors without degrading etc.) but more important than that may be you can access more networks, or even wire it directly to a lone computer.
If you need to do some technical and IT work ethernet on a very portable device is precisely what you need (among other things you might be the one setting up that wireless n router
)Especially, in a corporate environment and even if you don't do IT jobs (but suffer the IT instead), the wired network might be the "real" one. With access to the NT domain, customer data etc.
Wireless can be used as a segregated, "internet-only" network open to everyone and any device but not able to reach the sensitive things.
Well I need an Ethernet port for work, not just for getting onto the wireless/internet. Configuring routers, switches, copiers etc. It's not really critical as I could just get a USB-Ethernet adapter but there will definitely be times where I won't have wireless, only wired connectivity.
Ideally I'd love it just built-in to the tablet but given the thickness required, probably not going to happen.
Oh I exchanged it. Replacement model had the same problem. Then I went back to the shop and listened carefully to the model that was on the shop floor - same thing. That's when I got a refund. There's been at least one revision on the model since then however, so it may no longer be an issue.zed said:
The only time I miss Ethernet a little bit, is when traveling for business: low end motels have wifi without fail these days, but the more expensive the hotel, the more likely it doesn't. In this case, my standard solution is to walk to the nearby electronics shop, buy a wifi router, and expense it. It's usually cheaper than a single breakfast in said expensive hotel. (A bit sad, if you think about much brain power went into the design of this thing!) I have heard of other people doing the same thing. I have a bunch of these routers laying around in my office now, because I always forget the bring one along for the trip.
