Titanio said:
Have you seen a game on 360 yet offering that kind of environmental interaction? I don't need numbers to see that. It should be pretty obvious without it being pointed out.
But you do need figures, and then someone skilled to interpret them for you. Lots of people didn't need figures to tell them that the PS2 or GC were pushing more polygons than the Xbox, or any amount of crazy stuff.
What they've shown is a feature of a game. It isn't obvious to anyone whether or not the 360 could do this level of work. I'm inclined to think it can, and once you store the data (e.g. tyre track), which both systems strike me as able to do, you then only have to test for collision and then friction against a small a small area of track per wheel to generate results. If the 360 can't do it exactly the same, it'll do something that's nigh on indistinguishable for the average gamer I'll bet my ... something or other on it.
R&C sounds pretty big on scale..but there is a technical line of reasoning to support the above as potential PS3 strengths, stuff like this has been touted as a focus of Cell's for some time now, whereas I see little reason why 360 would have any advantage when it comes to "scale". PCs much less powerful than PS3 or 360 can handle Oblivion's "scale". Remember also what that dev which Kikizo quoted as saying..I was reminded of that reading some of the reports about R&C and even Warhawk to a lesser degree.
But still, by the reasoning in your fist paragraph and to paraphrase "have you seen a game on the PS3 with that level of scale? I don't need numbers to tell me there isn't one."
Scale is all part of design. I remeber the Tower of Babel demo for DC where a camera flew towards a town from far away, eventually getting up to the buildings and then flying between streets (done in 2 weeks by AM2 btw). Did it refelect typical DC games? No, but they could have hyped it as the "scale" console I suppose.
I don't care much for what consoles are touted as. In what we've seen so far the PS3 hasn't differentiated itself from the 360. It's important for Sony that they somehow differentiate their hardware from Microsoft, selling the idea that you're buying into a better gaming experience than with their competitor. To do this they *need* you to believe that the magic Cell can open up incredible new depths of immersion that nothing else can, and that even though you can't see the difference in graphics (because maybe MS got the better GPU) it's there working its magic.
Everything in the way Sony has presented the PS3 since E3 last year has been to this end. It's a well coordinated, well rehearsed show. Even though all they're showing you is first some bogus pre-rendered CGI and a couple of tech demo's, then now, finally, some 360 looking stuff, people are actually starting to see the magic of Cell just like Sony intend.
Cell inside. Cell: the way it's meant to be played.
Cell may well allow for games you couldn't do on the 360, but we sure as hell haven't seen them yet and the difference (when we see it) won't be what it's being marketing as being. For now I'll take my Cell enhanced world with a shot of Emotion Synthesis, Blast Processing and little Matrix on the side.
I'd like to pointedly say that I'm not making the claim 360 games couldn't come to the same level, however - these are mostly early PS3 games, I very much doubt they're tapping Cell much at all yet. The question is if and when 360 games start displaying that kind of detail, will PS3 have raised the bar again?
Couldn't come to the same level? What level is that?! We don't even have a way of judging what level the PS3 is at yet, how detailed its games will actually be or how these games will pan out against the 2007 and beyond 360 games they'll actually be up against when they leave the presentaion demo circuit and hit the market.
Heh. I'm not saying that PS3 games couldn't eventully come to the level of Oblivion, but ...
