So is the cell spe's "downgrade" confirmed ?

[Titanio]

It is not the multifunction part that people have problem with, that I think is welcome by anyone, it is the multitasking part that is the question...

I don't think it's a bad thing if more than one person can get more out of one box.

If the box was something that could 'only' be used to play games, or only available to the game player(s) at a given point, it would obviously discourage others in a household making an investment in it, so to speak. They might want to use it, but if they can't use it when they want to use i.e. when someone else is playing a game or whatever, that would encourage them to think of it as being "their system" and leaving it to them, and not taking further interest. Most households see fights over what to watch on TV. So then you get two TVs. Now might be the time for consoles to graduate beyond availability for one person.

I agree it mightn't seem obvious for a lot of people, and I agree it requires a set of circumstances (multiple displays within 'reasonable' distance), but sometimes you have to tell/show people what they want before they know they want it

If all of this comes to pass in terms multi-tasking, simultaneous X, Y and Z alongside gameplay, then I think it's probably a play on Sony's part to further Playstation as a center for "home computing" given what home computing is becoming.

 

[mckmas8808]

If it affect the quality of the games compared to the xbox360 games the casual gamer will notice a worst quality even if he don't know why is that.

Trust me supervegeta the casual will not notice a big difference between PS3 and Xbox 360 games. Put it this way the PS3 launch games will look better than Xbox 360's launch games if that makes you feel better.

 

[supervegeta]

Trust me supervegeta the casual will not notice a big difference between PS3 and Xbox 360 games. Put it this way the PS3 launch games will look better than Xbox 360's launch games if that makes you feel better.

Trust me mckmas8808 the casual gamer will notice the big price difference, and the lauch games will not look better that the second gen xbox360 games.

 

[mckmas8808]

Trust me mckmas8808 the casual gamer will notice the big price difference, and the lauch games will not look better that the second gen xbox360 games.

Well you never said anything about price. So what if Sony sells the PS3 for $399.99? Then what?

 

[supervegeta]

Well you never said anything about price. So what if Sony sells the PS3 for $399.99? Then what?

Then they will lose a lot of money and Ms can lower the price to.

 

[London Geezer]

Was this thread ultimately opened as yet another pissing contest over Sony vs MS? If that's the case, you could have saved some energy and avoided the whole thing.

 

[supervegeta]

Was this thread ultimately opened as yet another pissing contest over Sony vs MS? If that's the case, you could have saved some energy and avoided the whole thing.

No it is not but it isn't also a sony praise thread if this is what you was looking for.

It is pretty clear from the first post this thread is about having more detailed info about the cell spe used for the Os functions.

 

[London Geezer]

No it is not but it isn't also a sony praise thread if this is what you was looking for.

It is pretty clear from the first post this thread is about having an official confirmation about the cell spe used of Os functions.

No one is praising Sony. Personally though, i'd give them more credit than you. They make consoles, you don't. They have dominated the last 2 generations, by a long margin, you haven't.
So i apologise if i tend to believe that they know what they're doing more than you do.
Nothing to do with "praise", it's just common sense.

 

[supervegeta]

No one is praising Sony. Personally though, i'd give them more credit than you. They make consoles, you don't. They have dominated the last 2 generations, by a long margin, you haven't.
So i apologise if i tend to believe that they know what they're doing more than you do.
Nothing to do with "praise", it's just common sense.

I have nothing to do with Ms and if they are able to implement all the xbox360 functions using just the 5% of one core you don't have to praise me but them.

Since you also have no idea about how that one spe is used for real your comments are just wild guessing, that's why it would be nice to have some official info.

 

[London Geezer]

Since you also have no idea about how that one spe is used for real your comment are just wild guessing.

When the PS3 comes out and we see what those functions are, then maybe you can post in that tone. Until then, your guess is as good as mine, so drop the attitude.
MS's "5%" is used for something, Sony's "SPE" will be used for something else. Sony obviously wants a lot more features there than MS, so why do you keep bringing up that 5% figure?

 

[mckmas8808]

I have nothing to do with Ms and if they are albe to implement all the xbox360 functions using just the 5% of one core you don't have to praise me but them.

Since you also have no idea about how that one spe is used for real your comment are just wild guessing, that's why it would be nice to have some official info.

Have you thought that maybe Sony is trying to do more things with the PS3 than MS is with the Xbox 360? And can you tell me approximately how much processing on the CELL one SPE takes percentage wise?

 

[supervegeta]

When the PS3 comes out and we see what those functions are, then maybe you can post in that tone. Until then, your guess is as good as mine, so drop the attitude.
MS's "5%" is used for something, Sony's "SPE" will be used for something else. Sony obviously wants a lot more features there than MS, so why do you keep bringing up that 5% figure?

If you want to give them blind credit without knowing any detail, that's fine, but it is useless because you have no official info.

 

[mckmas8808]

If you want to give them blind credit without knowing any detail, that's fine, but it is useless because you have no official info.

Seems to me you want to take blind credit away from them without knowing any detail. Let's wait till E3.

 

[London Geezer]

If you want to give them blind credit without knowing any detail, that's fine, but it is useless because you have no official info.

Until we know more, their history earns them credit. IF they mess it up, THEN i'll complain.
Until then, stop whining.

 

[supervegeta]

Have you thought that maybe Sony is trying to do more things with the PS3 than MS is with the Xbox 360? And can you tell me approximately how much processing on the CELL one SPE takes percentage wise?

It is useless trying to guess what sony will do , so i reserve to prise sony untill we have official info.

 

[Farid]

Please, enough with the oversweeping claims and the useless comparisons between the consoles.

This thread is about discussing the interest of the allocation of a whole SPE to the OS tasks in the PS3. On a technical level, only.

It is not about making predictions about what generation of games will look better, what machine will cost more and the, undefined, casual gamers will, according to you, think about the OS CPU cycle allocation in modern Consumer Electronic products.

In other words, keep on topic.

I understand SONYs position of why they are doing this, but it doesnt stop me from being upset by the idea of that one entire SPE is locked down for non gaming tasks...

I appreciate your point of view.

It would be indeed a better for us, the graphic enthusiast to have all the ressources available dedicated to the game content.

What i meant was, if sony reserve that one spe for all this functions, why don't let the developers decide if they want to implement all these functions in the games or not , so that if they don't want they can use that one spe for better graphic, better audio, better physic ecc.

The OS tasks cannot be tied to the game needs.
The OS functions has to set by the hardware manufacturer.

 

[supervegeta]

Until we know more, their history earns them credit. IF they mess it up, THEN i'll complain.
Until then, stop whining.

Actually in term of Os Ms have a bigger experience than Sony so if this is where came your prise for them, it is not enough for me.

I can't prise sony untill we have official info.

 

[supervegeta]

The OS tasks cannot be tied to the game needs.
The OS functions has to set by the hardware manufacturer.

With Os tasks i mean all those additional functions like gaming video chat, ecc, ecc not the basic Os functions like networking .

 

[hey69]

you dont make a full blown GUI ontop of an OS for a console..so that doesnt make microsoft so much better then company Y for creating os's..

btw, isnt Sony using some flashmemory (a rom or some sorts) for its OS ?

 

[rounin]

X360's OS functions only use up 5% of the reserved time on a core? You actually believe this is the case and are satisfied with giving MS credit when you can face extreme lag when you try to access the main menu throught the controller's Xbox button in the middle of the game?