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mckmas8808 said:
That's no pratical at all, outside or inside the box.
So is the cell spe's "downgrade" confirmed ?
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That's no pratical at all, outside or inside the box.
Waste of resources IMO.... I buy a gaming machine and I would like the games to take advantage of the extra horsepower it has.... I dont really give a shit about watching a bd movie while playing a game.... I rather have that SPE being utilizied to the game instead... But I guess that it was differentiates us people who buy consoles for games and those people who apparantly are more excited about BD, BD movies and now multitasking while playing a game or doing something else. And if SONY has reserved extra RAM just for this reason alone, shame on them.
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Shompola said:
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Why don't give the developer the option to decide how use all the resource ?
The thing is the keywords for this new generation of consoles is convergence and functionality. The SPE will not be use for BD movie only, obviously, it should be used for the internet communication (Video chat/messaging), and for other things too.Shompola said:
Futhermore, SCE clearly positioned their machine as something more than a simple console. Kutaragi actually refered to it as a computer, and multitasking is expected from a computer.
If it has an OS, it needs to address a certain amount of RAM. The amount of RAM needed when browsing the Console menus and the one needed when the OS is ran in the background when you play a game should not be the same. Also, if the PS3 comes with a standard HDD, all of the dormant function and processes of the OS would be stored in the Virtual Memory, anyway.Shompola said:
Because if that was the case, it would be up to the OS alone to allocate the CPU cycles, like on the PC. And while slowdowns and lock-ups can be experienced on a PC multitasking, when being ressouces bound. Such a thing can't be accepted on a Console. To prevent slowdows/lock-up, a certain amount of fixed CPU and RAM ressources have to be allocated.supervegeta said:
Thus it's a case of the console becoming a dying breed, as converged multifunction devices replace specialists. If the PS3 provides great games, peaople aren't going to care. The truth is ignorance is bliss and often it's better not to know things. If PS3 comes with 128 MB not used for games but reserved for the OS, but you (Shompola) don't know this as there's no technical details, you won't care. Once of have knowledge of what's not being used for games (which we don't really have yet) suddenyl you feel you're getting an inferior experience. If PS3's reserved features provide a better experience overall for its customers, even if that's not gaming, then Sony have made the right choice. Taking PSP as an example, they included h.264 hardware for movie playback which could have instead been spent on better graphics hardware for example. But watching movies is part of the whole PSP experience.
And remember PlayStation, the vision, was never about being a console. Creating a games console was never KK's agenda. It's not MS's agenda either. The only machine out there likely to be totally dedicated to running games and nought else is Revolution. it's something console gamers will just have to live with.
And remember PlayStation, the vision, was never about being a console. Creating a games console was never KK's agenda. It's not MS's agenda either. The only machine out there likely to be totally dedicated to running games and nought else is Revolution. it's something console gamers will just have to live with.
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Vysez said:
This is not the case i was talking about.
What i meant was, if sony reserve that one spe for all this functions, why don't let the developers decide if they want to implement all these functions in the games or not , so that if they don't want they can use that one spe for better graphic, better audio, better physic ecc.
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supervegeta said:
Am i the only one thinking that Sony actually tested what kind of advantages an extra SPE would bring to a game (mostly framterate i guess, at that point), and then compared those advantages to the ones you'd get from having one SPE reserved for "everything else in the OS" and decided that the latter was better, in their vision for the console?
It's their product, they decide what it does, if you're so bothered with an SPE being used for OS, then you should look elsewhere, at consoles with CPUs that are still not as powerful as Cell, with or without that SPE being reserved for OS.
I think Sony here should be given more credit, as they deserve it, having seen the things PS2 is outputting at this day and age.
Of course it's very easy to cry "Sony don't know what they're doing!!1", but to be honest, i put all my faith in what they're doing and i'll be looking forward to play the games i'll buy on PS3.
More people should do the same and stop whining.
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london-boy said:
I don't think they deserve any credit for this, it is always better if you can choice , like if a dev feel he could not care less to have all those additional functions in his game, and prefer to use that one spe to give you a better game quality.
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supervegeta said:
That would make sense, if Sony didn't care about those features and didn't care if they were used on every game.
Unfortunately for you, those "extra feautres" will be a part of every game, whatever they are.
It's like telling Nintendo that "Developers should have a choice over using the new controller because some of them might not have any use for it".
What i'd love to know though, is what exactly those extra features are, because reserving a whole SPE just for internet access is, needless to say, way overkill.
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london-boy said:
But unfortunately for you the casual gamer could not care less about the most part of all those functions, and unfortunately for Sony Ms implemented all the xbox360 functuions using just the 5% of power of one core.
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supervegeta said:
You're not getting the point, so i'll stop here.
No wonder you have a nice red square there.
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london-boy said:
You don't have a point to praise sony sorry.
Green squares on a male only community is gay
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Titanio said:
Yes, no doubt, except for playing games, you should now be able to play movies, music, watch your fotos and what not on your console, the question though is if it is necessary to do all those things at the same time. Is mutlitasking the future of the consoles. Maybe in the future we will be conecting all the devices to our consol so we can play, listen to lusic and watch movies at the same times, on the other hand maybe PCs are heading there first...
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Mmmkay said:
If it affect the quality of the games compared to the xbox360 games the casual gamer will notice a worst quality even if he don't know why is that.
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Platon said:
Well, that's a broader discussion. I guess Sony is covering themselves well if such usage-patterns evolve, and could be well placed to capitalise on that, and the evolution of usage patterns of PCs (it'd be interesting to see trends in home computing..my guess is that typical time in front of a PC at home is now spent mostly browsing the web, listening to music, manipulating photos, watching videos i.e. lots of multimedia and network-orientated tasks. At least that's the case for me.).
So it's all about the one SPE (SPU?) now.
When will it ever stop...
When will it ever stop...
