SIS Xaber II, PowerVR Series 5(Kyro??), S3 Columbia?
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dont underestimate Matrox's ability to pull money out of their asses.... they're being bussy little beavers up in canada, even tho they did recently make some support cutbacks 
seems eventually they will run out of money up there and end up with handfulls of shit, which they will then start throwing at us like monkeys
seems eventually they will run out of money up there and end up with handfulls of shit, which they will then start throwing at us like monkeys Megadrive1988
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yeah, I'm interested in PowerVR Series5, and even Series4 if it showed up in low-mid end cards! any potential DX9 Parhelia2 and 3DLab's follow-up to the P10 (for consumers this time) As well as ATI R350, R400.
Nvidia better have NV35 out next fall or they might be eating some dust! A "Ti" version of Nv30 with faster clock ala GF3 Ti500 just won't cut it anymore!
I'm really curious about anything on PowerVR Series5 though. I'm a huge fan of PowerVR since the PowerVR2DC!
Nvidia better have NV35 out next fall or they might be eating some dust! A "Ti" version of Nv30 with faster clock ala GF3 Ti500 just won't cut it anymore!
I'm really curious about anything on PowerVR Series5 though. I'm a huge fan of PowerVR since the PowerVR2DC!
how long did they work on parhelia? heheh well lets just say only the Rampage project took longer. (and i dont mean the project to make the Rampage as we know it, i mean the whole Rampage project itself which was originally intended to yield the successor to the Voodoo Graphics)
and relating to the upcomming cards... i hear Trident has a DX9 version of their... uhh... whatchamacallit chip thing. and Trident is into tiling too, so i think we may finally see a real division between achitectures again. and, of course, you hear things..... but i dont seriously see Rendition getting back into the game, AFAIK the only thing left of Rendition is the name too bad too
too bad tooOpenGL guy
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The folks from Rendition that went to Micron made good money on options and profit sharing, so it wasn't a bad deal for themSage said:but i dont seriously see Rendition getting back into the game, AFAIK the only thing left of Rendition is the name
I've been saying it for more than 2 years now. If ImgTech gets it right, they'll kill everyone performance wise.
Given the history, I don't think they'll ever get it produced on time, but if Series 5 has these features:
DX8.1 features (more on this later)
Decent Anisotropic filtering without too much perf hit.
MS FSAA (FSAA4Free) with at least 4 samples (8 or 16 would be absolutely killer).
Then they could compete. DX9 would be much better, but realistically no games will use that for 2 years anyway.
With this and enough pipelines to saturate fast DDR on a 128 bit bus, they will have better performance than NV30/R300. Maybe not without FSAA on, but with it on the design should kill everything else.
No extra memory used, very slight extra texture bandwidth (on edges), means nearly free FSAA perhaps up to 16x.
However, as we learned from Series3, fast FSAA isn't worth that much if you don't also have fast Anisotropic filtering. Also, the Series 3 2D performance isn't that good (scrolling is notably lagged, and it doesn't drive 1600x1200 with that good of 2D quality, not nearly as good as my old Radeon (original). Then again, Nvidia's 2d quality is also relatively lame, but their performance is better.
Some talk of the extra memory used to bin the geometry, but this is MUCH smaller than the Zbuffer size used by an IMR doing MS FSAA at good resolution.
If Series5 used DDR2, then it most certainly could get away with "just" a 128 bit bus. No Zbuffer + only writing to the framebuffer once per pixel per frame saves a ton of bandwidth and frees that up for insane bandwidth requirements for texturing with insane fillrates.
However, given their track record, some day it will come out and we'll think "wow that would have been cool last year, at least its cheap and good enough to reccomend to bargain hunters"
I hope that isn't the case, but I've been dissapointed in the timing and release for Series 2 , 3, and 4 on the PC market so why get my hopes up for Series5? Well, because I want a R350 class performing part at R200 prices.
Given the history, I don't think they'll ever get it produced on time, but if Series 5 has these features:
DX8.1 features (more on this later)
Decent Anisotropic filtering without too much perf hit.
MS FSAA (FSAA4Free) with at least 4 samples (8 or 16 would be absolutely killer).
Then they could compete. DX9 would be much better, but realistically no games will use that for 2 years anyway.
With this and enough pipelines to saturate fast DDR on a 128 bit bus, they will have better performance than NV30/R300. Maybe not without FSAA on, but with it on the design should kill everything else.
No extra memory used, very slight extra texture bandwidth (on edges), means nearly free FSAA perhaps up to 16x.
However, as we learned from Series3, fast FSAA isn't worth that much if you don't also have fast Anisotropic filtering. Also, the Series 3 2D performance isn't that good (scrolling is notably lagged, and it doesn't drive 1600x1200 with that good of 2D quality, not nearly as good as my old Radeon (original). Then again, Nvidia's 2d quality is also relatively lame, but their performance is better.
Some talk of the extra memory used to bin the geometry, but this is MUCH smaller than the Zbuffer size used by an IMR doing MS FSAA at good resolution.
If Series5 used DDR2, then it most certainly could get away with "just" a 128 bit bus. No Zbuffer + only writing to the framebuffer once per pixel per frame saves a ton of bandwidth and frees that up for insane bandwidth requirements for texturing with insane fillrates.
However, given their track record, some day it will come out and we'll think "wow that would have been cool last year, at least its cheap and good enough to reccomend to bargain hunters"
I hope that isn't the case, but I've been dissapointed in the timing and release for Series 2 , 3, and 4 on the PC market so why get my hopes up for Series5? Well, because I want a R350 class performing part at R200 prices.
Supersampling anyone? The aniso algorithm on the K2 was ancient and not even worth mentioning.
2D was fine on the VividXS! from what I've been hearing, but then again it came with a 350MHz RAMDAC.
I doubt you'll ever get a card with ultra high end specs with just 70$ bucks; maybe after a significant timespan after it's release.
Roger Kohli
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How about Matrox as a licensee of PowerVR series 5? I think it would benefit both companies. It happened before with the M3D.
afaik, m3D was something that matrox wasn't planning at all. But the deal they had with NEC, changed things a bit. Now, it seems that matrox wants to get rid of all NEC manufactured chips as soon as possible.
it seems that Matrox really haven't been happy the deal with NEC and they are now going more and more to UMC.
it seems that Matrox really haven't been happy the deal with NEC and they are now going more and more to UMC.
