He's probably referring to the noise the machine makes.
Infact, I'm also sure the Digital Foundry said that 1080p60 media playback was superior on the PS3, as the 360 could only handle mediocre performance at 1440x1080 with its dashboard WMV player.
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He's probably referring to the noise the machine makes.
Infact, I'm also sure the Digital Foundry said that 1080p60 media playback was superior on the PS3, as the 360 could only handle mediocre performance at 1440x1080 with its dashboard WMV player.
Because of hardware limitations your bound to DTS/AC3 or 2 channel PCM sound. The PS3 can decode all format and output them as PCM via HDMI.
If an external add-on is allowed, I don't see why MS can't meet the desired performance level (should they choose to commit, of course). There are probably many ways to do it with additional hardware.
Assuming a "straight forward' implementation, the add-on would compete with standalone Blu-ray players with little differentiation (So price becomes a major decision factor, which is not good). They also need to keep up with any Blu-ray incompatibility issues (whatever is bothering BDA right now). At this point in time, there's not much incentive for MS to do so.
As for the future, we can talk about it when there are newer development.
I do agree that some third party might be interested to pursue the opportunity though.
Assuming a "straight forward' implementation, the add-on would compete with standalone Blu-ray players with little differentiation (So price becomes a major decision factor, which is not good). They also need to keep up with any Blu-ray incompatibility issues (whatever is bothering BDA right now). At this point in time, there's not much incentive for MS to do so.
As for the future, we can talk about it when there are newer development.
I do agree that some third party might be interested to pursue the opportunity though.
If an external add-on is allowed, I don't see why MS can't meet the desired performance level (should they choose to commit, of course). There are probably many ways to do it with additional hardware.
Assuming a "straight forward' implementation, the add-on would compete with standalone Blu-ray players with little differentiation (So price becomes a major decision factor, which is not good). They also need to keep up with any Blu-ray incompatibility issues (whatever is bothering BDA right now). At this point in time, there's not much incentive for MS to do so.
As for the future, we can talk about it when there are newer development.
I do agree that some third party might be interested to pursue the opportunity though.
Anything external would be limited by the sound issue, maybe a loopthrough of the HDMI signal or something creative like that could solve it, but it wouldnt be easy or cheap like the HD-DVD addon.
Omgosh, this is just no. That would be such an unmitigated disaster.
That's basically the 32X blueprint right there..times 3 or 4..
As far as 720 having Blu Ray, assuming MS would not like the idea, could they do some sort of hybrid format that would still be cheap? Like maybe some way to double DVD capacity with a minor laser/pit change or something?
Besides that they'll have to go with Blue Ray.
By the time the X720 is out, BR costs won't add much too much. Royalties/licensing fee's will have come down over time as they did with DVD and hardware costs could be greatly reduced also. I doubt they'll go through the trouble of some hybrid or custom setup for the sake of not having a BRD inside their machine.
Noise ? On the 360 its down to the drive noise and a bluray drive should be quieter as it spins slower. When playing arcade games my 360 makes no noise and is actually quieter than my ps3.
As for what digital foundry said. We know the 360 would playback 1080p 24fp hd dvd discs . So the performance you can get from it is obviously better than what digital foundry has said.
mabye but depending on how ms does it you could be looking at spending $200 less and many people wont care about pcm or lossless sound as they will be running it through their tv speakers.
Wouldn't the 360 need to read 360 discs at 12x, no matter what?
Again, with the HD DVD drive. We've even had bkillian confirm what grandmaster said.
Nothing says they couldn't add the hardware to these new machines, naturally.
Complicating piracy would be another reason to go with a custom format. I'm not sure if that even makes it worthwhile though.
He's referring to XBLA titles. No disc involved.
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The 360 can play 1080p24 video files. It cannot play 1080p60 files (some content at 1440x1080, yes, full 1920x1080, no) whereas the PS3 can. It is a verifiable fact, but the point is that the decoder is not designed to do so whereas the PS3 decoder is parallelised quite substantially.
Nothing I've said is incorrect whatsoever.
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No he was saying that 360 would be quieter with a Blu-ray drive and used XBLA titles as an example. Obonicus rightly said that, when X360 games are used, it would still make alot of noice, because those are on DVDs.
Whether or not there will be a Blu-ray drive, internal or external, the 360 games are always going to be on DVD, so the problem of noice will only go away by installing them to the HDD. You will never see a Blu-ray game on the X360, those thoughts should be buried by now.
$200 less ?
Yes. If they intergrate the drive into the skus the arcade unit will be $200 which is $200 less than the $400 ps3.
Math is fun.
I don't know how much a bluray drive is , however you would subtract the cost of the dvd drive from it and ms may not have to spend much more at this point to add in the drive. After all the rest of the hardware is already in the 360.
I'm not sure if it will. When I put a dvd into my ps3 and rip the media its very quiet. Are you saying that the drive in the ps3 isn't reading the data at 12x or 8x as it were ? I know it rips about as fast as my 8x drive in my laptop and is much quieter.
Is it ? Or is it that the current codec can't play 1080p files ?
You're questions redundant, Arwin, as eastmen is saying XB360 can (or at least might) play 1080p60.
Grandmaster is saying XB360 can't do it, but is that a software limit that can be changed, or a hardware limit and XB3608 would never be able to play any faster content?
Grandmaster is saying XB360 can't do it, but is that a software limit that can be changed, or a hardware limit and XB3608 would never be able to play any faster content?
I have no doubt that the 360 should be able to play everything that a PS3 can, the issue is getting it out
I guess you could have a point about the potential customers not caring about sound quality, the Dynamic bug setting in the original HD-DVD addon didn´t seem to raise that many questions.
But if they want to compete with the PS3 they will be compared with the PS3 playback and even without the sound issue they have plenty on their hands, the Blu-Ray playback didn´t come overnight on the PS3.
What drive ? The Blu-ray drive ? But...
If 360 has a built-in Blu-ray drive, the perceived difference should only be the HDD and wireless where hardware is concerned. I don't see a $200 difference because, today, the price gap is already $200. With a Blu-ray drive, it should be much smaller.
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