PSP to 'outclass' PS2 graphically?

talk about an eyebrow raiser :oops:



http://forums.gaming-age.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=38773


Famitsu today carries a great transcription of PlayStation godfather Ken
Kutaragi�s comments made yesterday during the unveiling of the
media-convergence set-top box cum PlayStation 2 that is PSX, as well as some
snazzy musings on the future of PSP, Sony�s portable gaming device.

"We have shipped 52.5 million PlayStation 2�s worldwide. Now, though, we
have finally come to the era where network connectivity is just as important
as packaged products. The Network Adaptor is becoming standard equipment in
America, and in Japan, where the network infrastructure is finally coming
together, we will release a system bundled with the PS2 hard drive this
June.

"Also, the launch of a system that writes to DVD�s as well as play them
will spark a change in the marketplace. The worldwide DVD marketplace is
displaying some explosive growth right now. Since we want to replay all the
media possible on DVD on the PlayStation 2, the Sony Group is now making use
of the PS2 engine in other areas. We want to build new fusion between game
machines and consumer electronics. The first product to stem from this was
the PlayStation Portable we announced earlier, and the second product is the
PSX.

"The PSP is built from completely new processor technology, making it
capable of smooth graphics that can even outclass the PlayStation 2, as well
as three-dimensional sound.
To that we added Memory Stick support, letting
users enjoy applications beyond video games. We are also using the UMD
(Universal Media Disc) format. This format easily stands up to the cutting
edge of media design; it can hold 1.8 gigabytes, three times what a CD can
hold, and it can store two hours of DVD-quality video. Since our E3
announcement, we have received strong declarations of support from many
developers and publishers, and the security system we are introducing to the
PSP has attracted serious attention from the movie industry. We at the Sony
Group want to continue developing the system in assorted areas with all of
this content in mind.

"Now, I would like to introduce our second concrete product borne from the
fusion of games and electronics, the PSX. This is a combination of game
console and consumer appliance that makes use of the PlayStation 2's engine
and processing technology. The "X" in PSX refers to the "crossover" of games
and electronics, but it also stands for "extraordinary," since we want to
make this the best product possible.

"First off, the PSX is capable of replaying and recording CDs and movie
DVDs. There is a 120-gigabyte hard drive inside the system, so you can
record and replay off the drive or copy media from the hard drive onto a
DVD. The system also includes Memory Stick compatibility, all types of
connectors, EPG [electronic program guide] support built in, a tuner built
in, and a network port built in. We're developing this system as a single
product that includes the features every company is developing as separate
products.

"The area we're devoting the most energy to, however, is the design. The
system may be placed horizontally or vertically, and the disc drive is now
slot-loading. The concept here was to make a product that would go well with
flat-panel displays, an interior product that could be accepted as part of
anyone's lifestyle. The PSX is a complete departure from the digital
consumer electronics and DVD/HDD recorders we've seen up to now. This device
is possible because of the ability to use the PlayStation 2's engine and the
many devices Sony Group has created. We are starting to enter the second
wave of digital electronics. With this fusion of games and electronics, we
want to introduce a new digital appliance to users. PSX development is
continuing smoothly with an eye toward finishing it in time for the
end-of-year marketplace battle. As the PlayStation 2 continues to be the
core product of our game division, the PSX will be more than just a PS2
compatible�I think it has the power to change the way you see all digital
appliances. Also, with the PSP, you will be able to enjoy many types of
applications outdoors. We will continue to support not just the hardware,
but the content as well."
 
Maybe outclass PS2 in certain areas.. But I doubt it will be able to do GT3 or MGS2 in their entirety.. Will it even look as good as a TV on that little LCD screen?
 
That depends on who is making the video processor. There's very few companies capable of making a portable processor that could compete with PS2 graphically. ATi, Nvidia, are my two top guesses.

God I hope it's one of them. I should buy more stock.
 
There's very few companies capable of making a portable processor that could compete with PS2 graphically. ATi, Nvidia, are my two top guesses.

Well SCE would be on that list as well, IMO.
 
Qroach said:
That depends on who is making the video processor. There's very few companies capable of making a portable processor that could compete with PS2 graphically. ATi, Nvidia, are my two top guesses.

God I hope it's one of them. I should buy more stock.

In my opinion, NVIDIA cannot. Their notebook processors are far behind ATI in terms of power consumption.

May be ATI or PowerVR (ImgTech).
 
BitBoyz!!!

One slightly off-topic note: WTF does Sony still bother with memory stick? It failed to get anyone interested in the format. Flash and SD cards provide inductee-accepted storage at the fraction of the size of the bulky memory sticks.
 
Geeforcer said:
BitBoyz!!!

One slightly off-topic note: WTF does Sony still bother with memory stick? It failed to get anyone interested in the format. Flash and SD cards provide inductee-accepted storage at the fraction of the size of the bulky memory sticks.

Have you ever seen Memory Stick Duo ?
 
Maybe it just has a slick AA engine built in for always on FSAA. That'd put it a step above the PS2 ;)
 
Qroach said:
That depends on who is making the video processor. There's very few companies capable of making a portable processor that could compete with PS2 graphically. ATi, Nvidia, are my two top guesses.

God I hope it's one of them. I should buy more stock.

IMHO, you'd be wasting your money. It will be using an in-house IC.
 
maskrider said:
Have you ever seen Memory Stick Duo ?

Wow, I am really behind the times here. This looks much better.

EDIT: Still, the Duo sticks are low-capacity. 128MB+ sticks are only avalible standard size - an SD card with similar capacity is a fraction of the size (unless I am missing something).
 
WTF does Sony still bother with memory stick? It failed to get anyone interested in the format. Flash and SD cards provide inductee-accepted storage at the fraction of the size of the bulky memory sticks.
MS is hardly bulky (especially compared to CFlash ;) and the capacity can go up to 1GB. Last I've checked (several months ago) MSticks were ahead of SD in units sold and behind CF, so it's not doing so bad.

Will it even look as good as a TV on that little LCD screen?
I've been playing old PC adventure games on my Pocket PC lately, and I can tell you they look TONS better on small screen than they ever did on my PC monitor. Tiny pixels on the good LCD screen make everything look smoother and nicer :)
 
marconelly! said:
Last I've checked (several months ago) MSticks were ahead of SD in units sold and behind CF, so it's not doing so bad.

SD has overtaken memory stick.

from IGN
According to The NPD Group, a global market information company, SD Memory Cards captured approximately 23% of the industry's approximate $81 million in US retail sales in January and February combined. This means that in three short years the format has overtaken Memory Stick. Things were eased along with the introduction of a 1GB SD Card, SD I/O peripherals, and miniSD. As of March 4, 2003 there were 943 products that used SD Memory Cards.
 
I think it's amazing enough memory stick held out as long against SD, considering it's pretty much proprieary to Sony, while other formats are used by just about everyone.
But on that note it's hardly surprising they keep pushing it into their products, as unfortunate as that is from customer perspectivet :?

Of course it could be worse, they could be doing crap like adding CF slot which only works with some very specific CF devices and refuses CF memory cards alltogether :rolleyes:
(granted it seems drivers were released that made it work after all but I doubt Sony really wanted that)
 
SD has overtaken memory stick.
Does that say that it overtook it's sales only during those two months or overall units sold? It's also just the information about US market. Granted, I don't even remember exactly what and where I read that info. It's been several months, and I never really cared much about it.

The way I see it, those solid state memory formats are popping up all the time. PCMCIA, CF, SD are considered 'standard' but in few years time since their introduction they all become obsolete. Same will happen wih memstick, so I don't even care which device supports which, as long as it does what it's supposed to do when I purchase it.
 
Intresting...

... In terms of power I would say the resolution of the screen could be 320*240 (maybe a bit less or more), combined with this lower fill rate, unless they want to do large amounts of sub-pixel rendering they can cut back on the overall processing power of the machine as a whole. It may look better than PS2 but have a lower processor speed.

Personally PowerVR are the group that could do it, they chips are very low on bandidth dependancy and the defered engine would be a bonus and since they have shifted to portable chipsets recently it would make a whole lot of cence.
 
First they say: "The security system we are introducing to the PSP has attracted serious attention from the movie industry."
Then they say: "First off, the PSX is capable of replaying and recording CDs and movie DVDs. There is a 120-gigabyte hard drive inside the system, so you can record and replay off the drive or copy media from the hard drive onto a DVD."
They just don't give a damn.
 
They probably mean that the PSP outclasses the PS2 the same way a GFFX 5200 "outclasses" the GF4 series.:LOL: Perhaps more advanced, but not more powerful.

The PSP is being fabed on the same process as the EE+GS@90nm, so I find it hard to believe it could be more powerful than the PS2, but it certainly could support more features.
 
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