PSP to 'outclass' PS2 graphically?

[rabidrabbit]

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I think you should be more discriminating about who you call a "troll". All I did was point out a blatant contradication in the press release because I found its presence amusing. I think it's funny to see Sony touting the security features(no doubt related to copy protection) of its new handheld device(PSP) as a major breakthrough with possible applications in the movie industry, while simultaneously launching a device which can rip movies and music onto a hard drive and then burn them to a DVD or CD. Can you not see why plugging these products in the same press release maybe wasn't the brightest idea? I mean, will PSX be capable of bypassing Sony's own security protections? If Sony's new security technology is as fail-safe as they seem to belive it will be, where does that leave the PSX? Or will PSX be the only product on the market that can bypass that security? Do you see what I'm getting at here?
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First off, the PSX is capable of replaying and recording CDs and movie
DVDs. There is a 120-gigabyte hard drive inside the system, so you can
record and replay off the drive or copy media from the hard drive onto a
DVD."
This statement suggests to me that it can, though it may just be poorly worded.

'Ripping off DVDs' usually means copying movies (illegally).
Surely you can record tv programs or camcorder material to HD, and then copy them from HD to DVD, and vice versa.
You just can not 'rip' protected software from DVD to HD, at least not in full quality.
I'd think you can copy CD's to HD, but not back to CD or DVD again.
Just the normal copy protection that current hi-fi burners are utilizing, nothing odd here.

 

[marconelly!]

My point Sony used hype to kill the DC as it did not deliver anything remotely close to the claims being made.

What, specifficaly, have they promissed that they didn't delivered?

 

[chaphack]

Marcy lets not start that all over again. We all know that Sony did not deliver their talk. I mean that is now an accepted fact amongst the gamers.

 

[marconelly!]

We all know that Sony did not deliver their talk.

Please, go ahead - make a list, finally.

Many people claim that they didn't delivered *something* but I'd finally like to hear *what exactly*.

 

[chaphack]

Not wanting to be called a flamestarter again, you can search for my few older threads which covered Sony hype machine, watch out those with me and Vincey having a go at each other.

Hmmm, of which i think i left out Iraqi missiles and China secret export PR! Gotta love Sony propaganda! Oh my, since Saddam is out of the picture today and China is widely accepted, what will be PS3 hyperbola? I know! NKorea to build hi-precision Nuclear arms silo with the power of PS3! Or how about Osama planning a deadly new biostrike with the computational power of CELL!

 

[marconelly!]

The thing, is all those things you came up with were some kind of BS made by press and idiots on the internet. The actuall press releases and presentatons were pretty much on the spot with what the machine really was/is.

 

[chaphack]

Oh well... so be it! Let them know me as the Derailer of Topics! a thread with a link to official PR.

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5379&highlight=

I think there is one more which i replied to Vincey criticism on my thoughts on Sony official PR, forgot which thread it was.

 

[rabidrabbit]

From chap's link, Sony quotes:
'Quote: Emotion Synthesis? It's a catch-phrase for what you've seen in MGS2, SH3, FFX or any upper-tier game that has very fine meshes applied to characters faces and are used to express emotion graphics, as you couldn't in the previous generation.'

and chap says that Sony lied and over hyped, and did not deliver.

I'd say this claim has fulfilled itself completely. Almost all PS2 games have expressive characters, that show 'emotions' through their high-polycount faces and bodies.
Best examples are Primal, Silent Hill 3, MGS2, FFX and even a launch game Tekken Tag.
I think what Sony meant by 'Previos generation' was PSOne, they did not comment on for example DC (even though it has a hard time producing as detailed characters, no even Shenmue has quite simple characters).
And PC's during PS2 launch certainly couldn't render anything near. Only during the last year, has there been highly detailed character faces in PC games. In fact, Half Life 2 is coming close to the detail in characters, that PS2 has shown us since launch.

Sony quotes: "The rendering function was enhanced to generate image data that supports NTSC/PAL television, High Definition Digital TV and VESA output standards. The quality of the resulting screen image is comparable to movie-quality 3D graphics in real time"
"Imagine walking into the screen and experiencing a movie in real-time... this is the world we are about to enter."

Well, when I look at GT3, it constantly looks more like real time TV presentation, than game.
Ratchet and Clank looks like a good 3D cartoon.
Primal's characters could almost be in a high production 3D movie.[/i]

 

[marconelly!]

"Sony's press material released today sums it up nicely: "Imagine walking into the screen and experiencing a movie in real-time... this is the world we are about to enter."

"The rendering function was enhanced to generate image data that supports NTSC/PAL television, High Definition Digital TV and VESA output standards. The quality of the resulting screen image is comparable to movie-quality 3D graphics in real time"

Looks at ZOE2...
Looks at 99% anime that look decidedly worse than the above mentioned ZOE2.

 

[chaphack]

RIIIIght! Mr Rabit. I guess Xbox would then be able to do movie quality graphics that surpass even the best of pixar.

I am sick of arguing with Sony fanbois about the Sony hype, if your nice glasses see that they did deliver the hype(which they didnt) so be it. But i will like to point out that was not Sony's quote, it was Vincey who said that.

XXXSonyXXX VINCE quotes:
'Quote: Emotion Synthesis? It's a catch-phrase for what you've seen in MGS2, SH3, FFX or any upper-tier game that has very fine meshes applied to characters faces and are used to express emotion graphics, as you couldn't in the previous generation.'

 

[Deepak]

Oh well... so be it! Let them know me as the Derailer of Topics! a thread with a link to official PR.

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5379&highlight=

I think there is one more which i replied to Vincey criticism on my thoughts on Sony official PR, forgot which thread it was.

Chap! There is something called MARKETING!

If MS/N didnt use anything like "Emotion *****", that is their fault and Sony's gain!!!

Hmmm, of which i think i left out Iraqi missiles and China secret export PR! Gotta love Sony propaganda! Oh my, since Saddam is out of the picture today and China is widely accepted, what will be PS3 hyperbola? I know! NKorea to build hi-precision Nuclear arms silo with the power of PS3! Or how about Osama planning a deadly new biostrike with the computational power of CELL!

....how old were you in 1999 (PS2 launch/campaign) and how old are you now??

 

[Deepak]

But i will like to point out that was not Sony's quote, it was Vincey who said that.

Then sue Vincey!!

 

[chaphack]

Looks at ZOE2...
Looks at 99% anime that look decidedly worse than the above mentioned ZOE2.

Hur-hur... you gotta be kidding...

 

[marconelly!]

I am sick of arguing with Sony fanbois about the Sony hype, if your nice glasses see that they did deliver the hype(which they didnt) so be it.

Hey, it's your fault that you fell for various BS being spewed on the internet and expected to see faithful reproduction of the whole universe detailed to it's subatomic level, rendered in realtime on PS2...

My expectations for every new machine are reasonable, thus they usualy deliver more than I expected.

 

[chaphack]

But i will like to point out that was not Sony's quote, it was Vincey who said that.

Then sue Vincey!!

Well it has nothing to do with Vincey, just pointing an error out. So DONT COME INTO THIS TOPIC WITH YOUR USUAL CHAP INSULT Vincey!

 

[chaphack]

I am sick of arguing with Sony fanbois about the Sony hype, if your nice glasses see that they did deliver the hype(which they didnt) so be it.

Hey, it's your fault that you fell for various BS being spewed on the internet and expected to see faithful reproduction of the whole universe detailed to it's subatomic level, rendered in realtime on PS2...

My expectations for every new machine are reasonable, thus they usualy deliver more than I expected.

I blame Sony.
But as i said, no more with PS3. Their stupid hype will fall on deaf ears. Cell smell 1TFOPS superflop whatever.

 

[marconelly!]

I blame Sony

I find it that most people that bitch about "failure of Sony's hype" actually can't forgive *themselves* for being so stupid and reading charlatans' rambling about things they clearly had no clue about. As we all know, self failures are much easiers to deal with if you can attribute them to something else.

 

[chaphack]

not really marc, if you read SONY official PS2 stuff, those non-tech shit, it is easy to see they are promising the moon with PS2. I mean that is what non techie(like me) would read and absorb.

I wonder is it possible to file a lawsuit against false advertising against Sony. Then again, the way they put their promises, ambiguous. Like their fanbois would say, SONY DIDNT OUTRIGHT PROMISE SO AND SO WHAT AND WHAT, i am sure their lawyers will one up on that.

 

[ChryZ]

The thing, is all those things you came up with were some kind of BS made by press and idiots on the internet. The actuall press releases and presentatons were pretty much on the spot with what the machine really was/is.

Exactly! Just take a look at the more recent events, like the E3 Conference, PSX/PSP revealment ... IMHO very rational. Speaking of the past, same picture.

 

[chaphack]

With a floating point calculation performance of 6.2 GFLOPS/second, the overall calculation performance of this new CPU matches that of a super computer. When this is applied to the processing of geometric and perspective transformations normally used in the calculation of 3D computer graphics (3DCG), the peak calculation performance reaches 66 million polygons per second. This performance is comparable with that of high-end graphics workstations (GWS) used in motion picture production.

The rendering function was enhanced to generate image data that supports NTSC/PAL television, High Definition Digital TV and VESA output standards. The quality of the resulting screen image is comparable to movie-quality 3D graphics in real time

When rendering small polygons, the peak drawing capacity is 75 million polygons per second and the system can render 150 million particles per second. With this large drawing capability, it is possible to render a movie-quality image.

In the past, this level of real-time performance was only achieved when using very expensive, high performance, dedicated graphics workstations. However, with the design of the new Graphics Synthesizer, this high quality image is now available for in-home computer entertainment applications

cya Sony peeps!