The Xbox One S definitely supports that, so you could pickup a 4K TV set and the XBoneS.
XB1 S won't support bitstream output (yet again) for Atmos and other extensions part of the 4K BR spec which is a major disappointment.
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XB1 S won't support bitstream output (yet again) for Atmos and other extensions part of the 4K BR spec which is a major disappointment.
What's the latest word on 4k bluray playback and HDR support? If those are a lock then I'll be getting a new 4k HDR TV readying for Neo
I'd imagine if Neo has 4K Bluray (which has HDR as part of the spec) then HDR for games is just a matter of it being in the SDK? I'm really not sure here though as I've honestly not looked into this.
I worry what the response would be if Neo didn't have 4K Bluray as it is only a high-end PS4? Can't see it though.
For me personally HDR isn't something that is worth the cost right now. I bought a 50" Panasonic 4K TV earlier this year for £650 knowing it wasn't HDR. The current cheapest Panasonic with "proper" HDR the DX902 is both too much (~£2100) and too big for my setup (58"). This model of TV also uses a shocking amount of power in HDR mode (364W vs 99W). The biggest issue is that apparently to get the benefit of HDR you have to view movies in the dark: http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/4k-vs-201604104279.htm
For HDR games I'm not sure if things are any different?
Does the PS4 support this?
According to dolby, both PS3 and PS4 already support bitstream output.
http://developer.dolby.com/News/Enabling_Dolby_Bitstream_Pass-Through_on_Playstation.aspx
Atmos will become the standard on UHD Blurays, and it absolutely requires bitstream output because it is object-based (as opposed to all other legacy formats). Same for games supporting Atmos. Making a UHD player without this is a pretty bad omission.
HDR colour should provide a bigger difference in image quality than resolution in my personal opinion.
For those who have HDR sets. For those who have 4K sets, higher resolution provides a bigger difference in IQ.
You'd think so, but different Sony divisions have shot each other in the foot before*, so I'm not relaxing until there's concrete evidence it will be supported...
*Even deliberately! However, maybe current leadership has put an end to nonsense bullshit like that. It's not as if Sony has had the money to spare in recent years to make stoopid decisions...
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I cannot imagine PS4 Neo not having 4K Bluray (and HDR) support. Especially with Xbox One S officially having that later this year.
99.99% chance Neo has 4K Bluray. 99% chance it also has HDR for games too, not just HDR for 4K Bluray.
The leaked document isn't about product information. It's about developing games for the higher spec, and the rules that apply to base PS4 and Neo.
It is no concern of developers if the Neo product has 4K Bluray movie support.
99.99% chance Neo has 4K Bluray. 99% chance it also has HDR for games too, not just HDR for 4K Bluray.
The leaked document isn't about product information. It's about developing games for the higher spec, and the rules that apply to base PS4 and Neo.
It is no concern of developers if the Neo product has 4K Bluray movie support.
True. All HDR sets are 4K. But not all 4K sets are HDR. I guess it would be harder to discern which is preferable if we don't have 1080p sets with HDR
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Even older Radeon GPUs will support HDR. They just need to have a suitable HDMI port. There's no reason to believe Neo won't support HDR, even if for some reason it were not a polaris variant. I mean, that's why Xbox One S supports HDR for movies and games. It's already supported in older GCN hardware.
Great to read some proper translations of that interview, One.
In hindsight it shows quite clearly Sony have been working on Neo for a long time. 7 weeks after this interview Sony had the dev kit (model number confirmed in the Neo docs leak) certified by MIC.I'd imagine it takes months and months to get to the point of building dev kits.
I shouldn't laugh but Shu can't lie to save his life. His facial expression at the end of the Twitter video orangpelupa posted betrays him.
Hope he isn't a poker player.There is an interesting tidbit about it, I personally know the interviewer of that article who is a tech journalist (I met him several times at game dev events) and when he shared his new article about Radeon RX480 on his Facebook wall I commented to ask what his take is about the recent Neo news flood. He reminded me of his old article at the same 4gamer in 2013 that discussed the PS4 spec just after the initial PS4 unveiling, and this article already pointed out the possibility of PS4.1 or PS4.2 that might appear in a relatively shorter span and forward compatibility as the result of his pure speculation based on the PC-like architecture of PS4. The article is Japanese but you can search PS4.1 or PS4.2 and you get the idea.
The interesting thing is, he recently met Sony guys around E3, according to them when his article which discussed PS4.1 was posted months before the PS4 launch in 2013, there was some fuss at the Sony office suspicious about possible leak of their future plan, even though the reality was it was out of his pure speculation. So yeah, Neo was planned all along, it's inherent in the PS4 design itself and dates back even before 2013, it's just a matter of consumer demand when it happens.
Wow, great foresight by him! To think that Mark Cerny and his team possibly had a big hand in shaping RX480........Or maybe I'm overstating things here?
I'm now really interested in the full details of Neo because outside bold specs I'd love to know what the detail changes/improvements (the semi-custom parts) are in the APU over Liverpool. Assuming Sony have been working extremely closely with AMD on this for years.
That's not what the article said. In fact, they specifically point out that there are still visible advantages even when not in an optimal viewing environment. What the article does say is that because the TV is effectively "giving you all she's got, Captain!" to present the higher dynamic range in an ideal viewing environment there is no way to turn the knobs up to adjust for a brighter room.
Also, you may have wanted to look beyond Panasonic. They've been forced out of the US market because of their inability to compete with the other players here. While you may not be quite as spoiled for choice as we are here, there had to be some manufacturer who was offering a good-value option between what you bought and the DX902.
Not to mention DTS-X. They need to fix this. Hell, I'd actually like to see object-based audio in games.
Sure there are still improvements with HDR but like I said for me personally they are pretty small considering the current price premium and the bright room issue is IMO big for a lot of buyers. Great if you have a dedicated cinema room.
The cheapest 'Ultra HD Premium' TV at the same size as my Panasonic is twice the price (£1200 Samsung KS7000) and out of my budget. I see even less point going for a cheaper pseudo-HDR TV. I could have gone for the equivalent Samsung for around the same price and I decided against a Sony because of their really slow UI (my brothers own Sony's). I wanted a change from Samsung so went with Panasonic with its fast UI and smart features.
Right now for me HDR is too much of a price premium for the added benefit and still very much a work in progress. I'll get one in two or three years, though.
HDR is going to have more of an impact than 4k. You benefit from HDR (outside of a botch implementation by the TV manufacturer) anytime it's used where as 4k adds variables of viewing distance and the persons eyesight.
A lot of respected AVSforum members and professional reviewers and calibrators were part of the annual high def TV shootout involving the flagship models from LG, Sony, Samsung and Vizio. HDR was included as testing criteria and all the sets were 4k.
It was general consensus that HDR did more for advancing picture quality than 4K. I tend to trust them. My limited experience shows the same. While 4k is the easier marketable figure, HDR will be the game changer if done right.
A lot of respected AVSforum members and professional reviewers and calibrators were part of the annual high def TV shootout involving the flagship models from LG, Sony, Samsung and Vizio. HDR was included as testing criteria and all the sets were 4k.
It was general consensus that HDR did more for advancing picture quality than 4K. I tend to trust them. My limited experience shows the same. While 4k is the easier marketable figure, HDR will be the game changer if done right.
Well there are not many value HDR based TVs. And? It's like not it's a choice of 4K or HDR but not both.
Choose right now a TV with no HDR or HDR with laggy performance then it's not an option. For those with the feature while offering little or tolerable lag then HDR becomes a viable feature that offers better IQ.
Choose right now a TV with no HDR or HDR with laggy performance then it's not an option. For those with the feature while offering little or tolerable lag then HDR becomes a viable feature that offers better IQ.
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