If I were them, I wouldn't even thinking about changing the hardware. I think digital foundry comparisons are going to get harder and harder for the average gamer to appreciate. I'm a believer in diminishing returns. People will look at side-by-side, and there will probably be a difference in resolution but they won't see it. There are so many ps4 users, and they won't want to abandon their library. Even if Sony could cancel neo and start over, they shouldn't. Just carry on. The hardware will be good, and they'll push it with software, and compete on price and keeping your library.
PS4 Pro Speculation (PS4K NEO Kaio-Ken-Kutaragi-Kaz Neo-san)
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If neo comes out cheaper than scorpio (very likely) the power diferential is less of a problem. Trying to hack out a slightly better (and close to inconsequential) performance by upclocking the thing still leaves them with a weaker machine with the added disadvantage that it's now costlier to manufacture. Sticking to the plan is the best option and compete with scorpio through price.
See that's the thing... lots of hear say and what ifs without Sony confirming any specs and/or release dates. What we know (or think we know) is based around specs (leaked developer documentation) that could have been purposely putout on a fishing/phishing expedition on getting gamers, developers and competitors reactions. Which is not unheard of...
The language used in the leaked Neo dev-docs was so corny and obvious, it was simply to engage talk (reactions), IMHO. I believe we're only seeing half the picture with NEO, as well as Scorpio.
2nd hidden gpu?
I'm not so sure. I thought the eurogamer thing was confirmed by devs. Would be kind of weird to give the devs false info, or at least considerably false, but I may be wrong.
2nd hidden gpu?
Nope. Maybe a more versatile design, than the more common enclosed consoles that we're use to.
Eurogamer only confirmed what the developers have (possibly minimum baseline specs), and nothing concrete from Sony themselves. Plus, developers will not have the finalized SDKs until late October from their original article. As I stated before, we're only seeing a small piece of the puzzle.
It's sure MS and Sony had access to the same choices from AMD. Leaks are saying Sony was considering either a 4.2TF design or a 5.5TF design, they chose the former because their cost target was more important. They must have been fully aware MS could go with the 5.5TF (or in this case 6TF).
MS chose highest specs, Sony chose price/performance compromise, and Nintendo chose Zelda. In terms of market potential, nothing is certain.
MS chose highest specs, Sony chose price/performance compromise, and Nintendo chose Zelda. In terms of market potential, nothing is certain.
So, you think they're going with an upgradeable console? I doubt they'd release a third sku. PS4, PS4 Neo, PS4 Neo Plus ... That would be a little pointless.
2nd hidden gpu?
I'm not so sure. I thought the eurogamer thing was confirmed by devs. Would be kind of weird to give the devs false info, or at least considerably false, but I may be wrong.
Yeah, it's like Sony doesn't know how or what message they're spreading about their PS4 NEO console at all.
Rumor for neo is spring. So you think it will get a $100 price drop in 3-6 months ? Or you think it will just launch at a $100 less than Scorpio
Of course there is a possibility, just like everything else. Release the base NEO (4.5TF-5.5TF) this October, and when needed, the upgrade assembly/part late next year. This type of design gives them the opportunity of being first to the market, and staying current years after. Plus, Shu did mention there probably wouldn't be a PS5, but more forward thinking designs. So at this point, anything is possible...
And yes, I'm hoping Scorpio is upgradable as well...
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still think they will both go with thunderbolt external graphics cards. The radeon rx line is cheap at $200 for a 4 gig and $230 for a 8 gig and is about 5.5tflops of power. Put that in an external enclosure and boom your all set with doubling your rendering power.
I'm more keen on believing Sony will offer their own propriety upgrades (underpinnings, housing, etc...), around AMD IPs, and of course being backward/forward capable. Similar to NEO-GEO (which I own), but more refined in implementing these upgrades.
Games are already pushing up against the memory bandwidth and cpu limits of PS4, Neo only offers a 24% boost to memory bandwidth and 21% boost to cpu frequency. Look at the removal of mb demanding fog (alpha effect) in Harbor expansion in Fallout 4, lack of AF in many games, tendency for games to use low resolution mipmaps, uncharted 4 using shaders to achieve a more detailed look on clothing and material surfaces isntead of high resolution material textures.
This means that while Neo may have the shader/alu capacity to double framerate, its held back by its memory bandwidth.
The Scorpio on the other hand likely has slightly over 320GB/s memory bandwidth which is a significant leap above Neo's total system memory bandwidth, and it should be able to double the fps in games at 1080p at vanilla console image quality.
Now if Scorpio is only $100 more, that is certainly a plus for MS. Would you rather play GTA6, RDR2, Cyberpunk 2077, Elderscrolls VI, Fallout 4, Battlefield [insertname], next Batman Arkham game, next Farcry, next AC, etc at 30fps or 60fps?
Remember what almost everyone who shops for videocards is looking for, most would jump at the opportunity to find a videocard that could double their framerate for only 20% higher price.
3DFX didn't go out of business only because they turned their backs on the OEMs, they're Voodoo3/4/5 cards were a fair bit lower performance than Nvidia and ATI. Nvidia didn't get its historic marketshare lead because of nothing. Historically its cards regularly beat ATI/AMD in most generations.
While exclusives are a critical factor for consoles, don't assume performance leaps of 60 fps versus 30 fps isn't as well.
I'm sad that Sony is dropping the ball here.
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Again I think people are over thinking this, if they were not launching a VR headset I don't think Sony would be doing anything till PS5. As best I can tell NEO is about a better VR experience. Scorpio is about regaining the premium console experience and VR something MS needed to do to win back their core base and changing the conversation.
If we look at things in isolation, specifically Sony, the real question becomes when they want to release a console that will be running 4K native. You don't want to be releasing yet another console 2-3 years after Neo just to be able to do that. Sonys strategy is fairly traditional, get people onto the platform and sell software. If their platforms are divided too much developers will be slightly pissed by it, or do the basic thing, which is target the lower common denominator.
I think there is space to support 2 consoles in parallel just fine. But three might be an annoyance.
MS isn't going to release another after Scorpio not for a long time. At least not until there is a specific reason to.
Sony shouldn't be too concerned about Scorpio, they just have more at stake than MS does. They need to be more thorough in thinking through the degrees of change their customers can handle. And developers!
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I don't think anyone has to go all-in on 4K gaming in the next 2 years or so.
4K TV sales are doing well, as people replace TV sets, anything above $1000 is likely to be a 4K TV.
But there isn't a lot of 4K programming, which is what would drive 4K.
If they start broadcasting NFL, NBA, EPL and other major sporting events in 4K along with popular programs, like Game of Thrones or something on that level in 4K, there won't be such huge expectation for everything to go to 4K.
4K TV sales are doing well, as people replace TV sets, anything above $1000 is likely to be a 4K TV.
But there isn't a lot of 4K programming, which is what would drive 4K.
If they start broadcasting NFL, NBA, EPL and other major sporting events in 4K along with popular programs, like Game of Thrones or something on that level in 4K, there won't be such huge expectation for everything to go to 4K.
They already have 4K sports channels here in Canada...started this year.
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