gokickrocks
Regular
there is a bestbuy memo floating around that says sony has stopped shipment and for those waiting for a wii, it says that they are holding it for the 17th
PS3 sales
- Thread starter Laa-Yosh
- Start date
mckmas8808
Legend
Blue Dragon did pretty well. Yes and that number does include bundles too.
I'm not sure that the MS's choice to push the 360 in japan with bundle, price cut and BD was a good idea.
The sales are still way too low to change anything.
Japan is dead for MS, even if the console is great, japenese people will only buy the 360 if it turns to be the leading plateform worldwide, by an healthy marging (never...) in a way that others plateform are games constrained.
In the same time MS is not really succesfull in Europe, in France MS offer 50 euros on each 360 sold, it's almost a price cut. Europeans love ps and so love jrpg, BD would had a better effect here than in Japan, the same for the official price cut, even if it could have cost more money to MS.
No pain==> no gain...
I still feel don't do the thing right in europe.
In want to go back to thread and ps3 sales.
I've neer believe Sony would have been able to produce 1 millions units per month so early in the ps3 life. Ok the diode thing makes thing worse, but come on even nintendo with is WII seems able to produce that much unit per month.
So at some point we're over reacting to actual ps3 sales. I feel that only real news MS do better than expected and only in North America (NA) and Australia.
So far Ms will have sold ~7 millions units in NA, every units sold elsewhere is irrevelant to size of the market where these units have been sold.
I sure Sony feels confident in another delay in Europe. The only trouble sony will encounter is NA market.
I've neer believe Sony would have been able to produce 1 millions units per month so early in the ps3 life. Ok the diode thing makes thing worse, but come on even nintendo with is WII seems able to produce that much unit per month.
So at some point we're over reacting to actual ps3 sales. I feel that only real news MS do better than expected and only in North America (NA) and Australia.
So far Ms will have sold ~7 millions units in NA, every units sold elsewhere is irrevelant to size of the market where these units have been sold.
I sure Sony feels confident in another delay in Europe. The only trouble sony will encounter is NA market.
scooby_dooby
Legend
I don't see how you can really say that with the small success BD is having, because it's not like this is the only JRPG that's going to come along in the next year.
Blue Dragon has shown that a good game can give a signifigant boost to hardware sales, MS had a solid 3 or 4 high quality JRPG's coming to the system next year. So, if the games are high quality, and they keep releasing them on a regular basis, I think they have a chance of averaging around 500k-700k/year or so, which by the end of the generation could be a few million installed, which is a decent little niche.
Not saying it will happen, but BD has shown that quality software can move units, even 360!
As for Europe, it seems MS will have another 10 months before they even have to worry about competing in Europe w/ Sony. BD and Lost Odyssey will both be out by then, as well as next gen versions of Football, and a bunch more great games, combined with a pricedrop, they'll be in good shape I think.
Last edited by a moderator:
mckmas8808
Legend
I agree that BD is doing GREAT in Japan for the 360 so far. But I can't see MS selling 500,000+ consoles in japan every year. I might happen though. And if it does that would be good for MS.
scooby_dooby
Legend
I dunno, an average of 10k/week is asking alot, but I think it's possible. Like always though, it all depends on the software.
Scooby doo, I totally agree with you, a game can puh units, price reduction too .
I feel that ms result in europe, or in france, is underwelming.
Europe is a sonyland, but the market is not as closed as japan, hence I'm not sure about their politic against japan.
Ms will do very well in North America, it can even become #1 overthere.
In Japan not matter what happens, 360 will stay a marginal product or as you say decent little niche.
Early launch hven't help MS in japan, in regard to the market size, 360 sells in japan are all but negligeable.
The real bad news is that early launch doesn't seem to have helped Ms in europe too.
I feel like MS ignores that is the place where they're likely to really compete with Sony.
Ms has almost wasted this crismass in Europe.
Bd could have helped and a price cut (aka japan) too, they could have lost some more money depending of real BOM aof the 360, but I say it again no pain no gain.
As for european market, MS should push a big F1 game, more fighting games, you're alright about football games.
I just feel ms waste some time and money only because they 're to proud to give up.
Gates in some recent pr is right....
I feel that ms result in europe, or in france, is underwelming.
Europe is a sonyland, but the market is not as closed as japan, hence I'm not sure about their politic against japan.
Ms will do very well in North America, it can even become #1 overthere.
In Japan not matter what happens, 360 will stay a marginal product or as you say decent little niche.
Early launch hven't help MS in japan, in regard to the market size, 360 sells in japan are all but negligeable.
The real bad news is that early launch doesn't seem to have helped Ms in europe too.
I feel like MS ignores that is the place where they're likely to really compete with Sony.
Ms has almost wasted this crismass in Europe.
Bd could have helped and a price cut (aka japan) too, they could have lost some more money depending of real BOM aof the 360, but I say it again no pain no gain.
As for european market, MS should push a big F1 game, more fighting games, you're alright about football games.
I just feel ms waste some time and money only because they 're to proud to give up.
Gates in some recent pr is right....
Last edited by a moderator:
mckmas8808
Legend
Yeah lio you are right. They should do a bigger push in EU. If Sony knew how to run their business right they could past MS in a few months.
I guess everybody here have red the lrumors lately of sony studying the impact of another delay in Europe.
At this time I almost sure Sony can safely delay in Europe, only diehard (and rich) sony fans will complain.
I told this sometime ago MS have to fight in Europe.
When the ps3 will be out here no matter what the relatif price of the two systems are, 360 will look like an old product that has never managed to take off.
If Ms have to bleed money it's here (europe).
They have to react ealy in 2007 depending on sony position on delay.
At this time I almost sure Sony can safely delay in Europe, only diehard (and rich) sony fans will complain.
I told this sometime ago MS have to fight in Europe.
When the ps3 will be out here no matter what the relatif price of the two systems are, 360 will look like an old product that has never managed to take off.
If Ms have to bleed money it's here (europe).
They have to react ealy in 2007 depending on sony position on delay.
Last edited by a moderator:
I agree, europe as a whole is Sony land, though in some countries the xbox might have a decent chance. MS will definitely have to fight to get a good marketshare here and so far I will have to say they are far below expectations, atleast mine. I thought they would do something better of their one year head start and as if that was not enough they got an extra delay till may that might even extend to September.
If there ever was a chance for them here, now is the time. It feels like they spent so much time, energy and money to get a good Japanese marketshare that they completely forget the the european market, which is much bigger than the Japanese one, and most importantly, in contrast to Japan, here they have a chance of actually building a marketshare that could compete with Sony...
If there ever was a chance for them here, now is the time. It feels like they spent so much time, energy and money to get a good Japanese marketshare that they completely forget the the european market, which is much bigger than the Japanese one, and most importantly, in contrast to Japan, here they have a chance of actually building a marketshare that could compete with Sony...
no one other than ms knows the situation exactly at this point but, i'll go out on a limb and say: it's doing quite well in the uk(1/3rd of total eu vg market afaik) , mediocre in france&germany and absolutely horrible in rest of the northern and southern european countries (spain, sweden,etc).
According to nintendo the x360 has been doing aprox 70k a month in UK,France,Germany, Spain combined.
BTW, Sweden is not a part of southern Europe, its part of Scandinavia (as in northern)
BTW, Sweden is not a part of southern Europe, its part of Scandinavia (as in northern)
the xb360 is also doing well here (nz/oz)
its no surprise as the xbox1 performed way above world averages here as well
it seems as if its only the english speaking countries where its performing well eg NA / england / australiasia
a worrying sign for MS when 70-75% of their consoles are sold in NA
NAcentric game targeting i think this is the cause
there was a topic here i believe it went something like
'blue dragon to sell millions of xb360s in japan'
well i guess we now know the answer
its no surprise as the xbox1 performed way above world averages here as well
it seems as if its only the english speaking countries where its performing well eg NA / england / australiasia
a worrying sign for MS when 70-75% of their consoles are sold in NA
NAcentric game targeting i think this is the cause
there was a topic here i believe it went something like
'blue dragon to sell millions of xb360s in japan'
well i guess we now know the answer
I dont know how anyone can come to that conclusion when Microsoft/Nintendo are at huge price advantages over Sony. Point being anyone surprised at any sales has yet to see the real numbers start pooring in which traditionally happen at each consoles price cut. Essentailly we're still talking about launch prices in relation to Microsoft as well. Its all about perceived value, and if the cost is too high, sales will be low(er). Sony is in a worse (the worst) position realistically, assumption means nothing.
Draw no conclusions until the price cut battles have started and we get some more holiday sale numbers, right now what Microsoft is doing in comparison to last gen is simply impressive. Land certainly hasnt been claimed.
Doesn't Sony have F1 exclusivity world wide?
They also sponsor UEFA so Euro 2008 should be a big promotional opportunity for them. Also a sponsor of Champions League too right?
Apparently Sony is investing a lot to have UK-produced content -- Heavenly Sword, Motorstorm, Killzone, presumably a game based on the London demo and others.
They also sponsor UEFA so Euro 2008 should be a big promotional opportunity for them. Also a sponsor of Champions League too right?
Apparently Sony is investing a lot to have UK-produced content -- Heavenly Sword, Motorstorm, Killzone, presumably a game based on the London demo and others.
i said "absolutely horrible in rest of the northern and southern european countries" not "southern european countries"
I have no retail numbers what so ever, but I get the feeling that in the nordic countries, atleast Sweden, the 360 does quite well, mostly by looking at online stores and their top ranking game sales and so on, and I believe that the nordic countries is a region where MS definitely has a chance. Here in sweden we say that it is the most americanized country in the world, on a second place is the US
...
