Just wait until GH:WT is out and there's real feedback on the new equipment. The new RB2 guitar still doesn't have a click strum like the Les Paul so if that is a deal breaker for you, then GH guitar it is.
PS3 music peripherals to be title agnostic (i.e., open !)
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Just wait until GH:WT is out and there's real feedback on the new equipment. The new RB2 guitar still doesn't have a click strum like the Les Paul so if that is a deal breaker for you, then GH guitar it is.
I doubt there will be a dedicated USB MIDI jack, instead the quote reads like they put it on one of the peripherals, which may explain 360 situation.
I thought it was a simple interface issue (as Patsu speculates). We know 360 music controllers use the regular wireless controller interface, possible with some data limitations.
But MIDI note data is packaged up in a list of individual instructions of the format (Note number, Channel, Velocity, other parameters). I forget the specific format. We Know XB360 can read (Note 40, Channel 10, Vel = 120) so why can't it receive (Note 40, Channel 1, Vel = 120)? That's the only difference between info for the guitar and the drums - one number in the instruction package.
Yes, but how can a a probelm exist at a lower level that allows data through with channel = 10 and not channel = 1?! I could understand if different channels were broadcast on different frequencies or something crazy, but what they're saying here is equivalent to 'XB360 can only display the green component of .png images'!
Best way is to convince Mr. Bender to interview the GH guys. It's been a while since he wrote the Acton interviews. I'd like to know too. ^_^
The drum kit mister slim mentioned may have some proprietary interfaces (and licenses ?) to hook up with the 360. All these are just wild guesses though.
The drum kit mister slim mentioned may have some proprietary interfaces (and licenses ?) to hook up with the 360. All these are just wild guesses though.
I still think it's a matter of Microsoft's driver policy slowing things down. They probably had MIDI input just for drums initially (remember the support for external higher end drumkits that was announced a while ago), but then as they manage their own driver for the PS3 they fooled around with it until they had all the other instruments in there as well. Microsoft being very strict with the drivers and always I think taking ownership of them, for wireless even more so, it will take significantly longer to be able to roll out this feature on the 360. The only other option I can think of is something to do with the HDD or BluRay or other, but that just doesn't seem very likely because this kind of note data just doesn't take up a lot of space, and I don't assume they had to put in extra samples to play back for these instruments or anything.
The driver theory might hold up, factoring in some poor communication from the interviewee. If they tried drums first and they saturate the rate they can get data from input device, then they'd stop at drums, with the 'channel 10' remark just being a misunderstnading or loose unassociated comment or something.
The MIDI data takes up kb in RAM, so storage can't be an issue. The sample data is already in there for playing the instruments, and even if they were streaming samples say, they could get the instruments to work at a lower quality at least. So I guess the (USB?) IO is the issue.
The MIDI data takes up kb in RAM, so storage can't be an issue. The sample data is already in there for playing the instruments, and even if they were streaming samples say, they could get the instruments to work at a lower quality at least. So I guess the (USB?) IO is the issue.
It's been a year and I have been patient. ;-)
I will be buying a MIDI keyboard (digital piano) for my kid this coming Saturday. Is the following article still valid ?
Source: http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2008/09/17/ps3-version-of-guitar-hero-to-get-midi-sequencer/
What can I do exactly with the above feature ? What's with the USB vs MIDI jack talk above ?
Has there been any progress since Sony announced the music peripheral compatibility effort ?
I will be buying a MIDI keyboard (digital piano) for my kid this coming Saturday. Is the following article still valid ?
Source: http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2008/09/17/ps3-version-of-guitar-hero-to-get-midi-sequencer/
What can I do exactly with the above feature ? What's with the USB vs MIDI jack talk above ?
Has there been any progress since Sony announced the music peripheral compatibility effort ?
Yes, most game peripherals work cross platform. As for the MIDI support for keyboards, I tried it, but there isn't too much in it yet. I could record the built in drum-rhythms as drum patters in the editor in Guitar Hero, but not melodies as far as I could tell. They do seem to be planning an upgrade for this feature in GH5 though, so who knows what's coming next.
MIDI uses an archaic 5-pin DIN connector. You need a MIDI to USB convertor to connect MIDI devices to PS3.
I don't understand why the industry hasn't moved on to a USB interface. They could extend MIDI and instrument interfacing no end with the bandwidth USB allows.
Some instruments have both. Unfortunately MIDI instruments last a really long time, so it's hard to make a clean break. It would take years before a significant amount of people have USB support on their devices to allow for something as radical as not supporting it anymore. My Roland XV-5050 sound module has a USB[MIDI] port (funny label eh?) but my keyboard and my Roland MT-32 don't. The MT-32 is ancient of course, my Roland E-16 keyboard slightly less ancient (but not by that much) but they still both work fine, which illustrates my point.
Just add both outputs onto new gear. And by new gear I mean some 10 year old gear when USB was commonplace. It's no different to introducing any other connector. We haven't sat around with VGA forever, instead having dual output GPUs and dual input monitors to enable a transition to DVi and HDMI.
I read on Wiki that an 'HD MIDI' is in development. So we'll get there in the end. they've just been damned slow about it!
I read on Wiki that an 'HD MIDI' is in development. So we'll get there in the end. they've just been damned slow about it!
Yes, so in theory that would work with my setup. Except the newest bit, the one that actually has USB/MIDI support, won't work. Why? Because there are no Vista drivers. But if Microsoft had done their homework, there would have been general USB/MIDI support. But instead, there's not even a MIDI mapper on Vista anymore (or I must have missed it).
In fact a generic USB to MIDI device with driver is the one way I would currently be able to fully use it again. Isn't that ironic?
In fact a generic USB to MIDI device with driver is the one way I would currently be able to fully use it again. Isn't that ironic?
According to http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/54762, GH4 has an October patch that fixed this:
No one tested it ?
I emailed Guitar Hero World Tour support to ask about MIDI support for keyboard but no answer yet. Was their MIDI plan aborted (perhaps they want to focus on selling their instruments) ? They said they were going to put up a MIDI FAQ but it's not there (What the hell...).
Also did some quick google on MIDI and games:
* 2007: http://www.gamepro.com/article/news...audio-will-rely-on-midi-says-sony-correction/
* Early 2008: http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=17442
* Late 2008: http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=20294
The last link mentioned a few audio tools for developers. Have they been released and are they in use now ?
EDIT: Is there a good game audio forum ?
Also did some quick google on MIDI and games:
* 2007: http://www.gamepro.com/article/news...audio-will-rely-on-midi-says-sony-correction/
* Early 2008: http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=17442
* Late 2008: http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=20294
The last link mentioned a few audio tools for developers. Have they been released and are they in use now ?
EDIT: Is there a good game audio forum ?
