Predict: The Next Generation Console Tech
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It is like a memory card you need to replace every 5 years of heavy use. By then they will be very cheap (for MS/Sony!)
On a serious note: looking at failure rates of electronics, and HDDs in general, a 5 year window on a replacable part really isn't a factor from a design perspective. Look at the issues things like iPods have traditionally had or mobile phones in general. If the RRoD taught us anything people will replace their electronics. If after 5 years of heavy use you have to upgrade to a beefier SSD I am not sure there will be much of a consumer backlash, especially considering the benefits of SSD.
You can if you have no virtual memory, if unused pages can't be swapped out, then a lot of apps start using tons of memory.
The solid name brands seem to be as reliable as spinners (traditional hard-drives), if not more reliable judging from the recent move of spinners to 2 or 3 year warranties.
And assumes the 5GB is all actually useful for graphics given it's slow speed, see the memory debate thread.
Personally I'm waving the magic EDRAM wand to solve that one though for the purposes of debate
Implies no built in HDD in Durango though, which would seem odd for such a supposedly media box focused thing (but a good idea imo, to at least have SKU's both ways like 360). If they (you
) are really shooting for 299 with profit and all that, it's hard to imagine 8GB and HDD fitting into the budget both. Then again the leak docs mentioned a decent amount of built in flash storage IIRC.bgassassin
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Well he did "mention" PS4 was still changing, though I don't know what all could change to gain more power without adding to the cost.
I still so far feel he focused mainly on the memory.
I still dont see "way more powerful". If you get the extremes, one will have a 1.8x GPU while the other up to 4X the RAM. I see them as somewhat even from here at this time. All that ignoring the possible CPU parts of the equation.
Also lherre is not stating Durango>PS4 that I know of in a good while. He agrees with the Durango=more RAM+lesser GPU assessment.
What do we know about this individual?
From an industry "fan" perspective for nearly two decades (but not a developer by any means) when I see 8GB and 2-4GB I don't immediately go, "Oh, the 8GB is much more powerful!" There are far too many examples historically. In fact you ask basic questions like, "What is the bandwidth? Are there other memory technologies like eDRAM top accommodate low bandwidth?" And so forth. Easier to developer for I can understand, but stating the amount of memory makes something a lot more powerful raises eyebrows as it is far too simplistic of an approach.
If he cannot make a basic assessment like "MHz and Core count don't dictate how fast hardware is" or "more, slower ram doesn't make something faster" etc then his leaks are almost useless.
If on the other hand he has shown himself to be tech savvy then I am not sure we should jump the conclusion that, "Well, he MUST be focusing on the larger amount of RAM" because that would put him into camp #1 and thus we are back to stage 1, really.
bgassassin
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Really? I haven't seen some of his more recent comments on it.
Looking at Rangers post it sounds like he's backed off of that.
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so is a $400 box that sits powered off the vast majority of the time.
You don't really need a fast hdd to play multiple hd streams. Even blurays at 40megabit/sec peak are far off the peak of even slower harddrives which can read at 90 megabytes/sec.
Regarding memory, maybe they are intending the console to be a multi user device this time where a whole family can use it at the same time perhaps via surface/tablet/phone, even while someone is using it via the tv. So maybe they want each user to have 1 megabyte or so to themselves for whatever they want to do.
No lherre not mention it,
actuaaly the xbox next gpu could be the better than ps4
indicatiing with more leak on xbox side, lately focusing ms devkit
is not final and ms targgeting 8970 level, where sony targetting 7970 level
considering sony finacial, and recent job list indicating sony just 2 year into
nextgen development, where ms already 6 year in development
so 2 year vs 6 year R/D
ms will create exotic gpu design as like xbox 360
sony will use off the self component just like vita
french toast
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I really hope we are going to see some exotic gpu development ala xenos...now that would be awesome..maybe some next gen crossfire hsa setup...hell I dont even know if such a thing can be done, bust its good to dream!.
bgassassin
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Neither console is targeting that level.
Is it new comments and clarification or is it refinement and analysis by other posters interpreting and mixing with other sources (e.g. yourself)?
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I'm hoping Rangers provides something to show which is the case.
anexanhume
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I wouldn't call vIta off the shelf. It has a custom SGX 543 implantation with a 1024 wide I/O memory interface for the VRAM.
Virtual memory is considered a no-go on console boxes. Console devs like knowing that if they ask for a piece of memory, they will get it in a very predictable way. If you ask for some ram and hit a page fault, you got yourself a stutter right there.Implies no built in HDD in Durango though, which would seem odd for such a supposedly media box focused thing (but a good idea imo, to at least have SKU's both ways like 360). If they (you
PS3 has a built in hard drive, and I suspect it has no virtual memory.
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