Moving to ARM will not be a magic bullet in terms of power cwnutmpin if you expect the next Xbox to run all of the x64 games already released, whilst most CPUs having instructions designed to making emulating other architectures more efficient, an ARM chip that is capable of emulating 16 x64 threads for games running on Xbox Series is a big, big ask.
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True! Unfortunately the amount of memory only doubled. Next gen will require more than doubling the size of memory. 32GB wont cut it.
Its going to be a no for me dawg. Apple products dominate Music and film production, Research, Software development, to mention but a few.
What?? I used to go to a weekly Python meet up at the Microsoft office in Times Square filled with data scientists. I could barely see anything other than a Mac. Same goes for when I was in school taking CS classes and same today with work. Apple products are also preferred by architects who use AUTOCAD and other similar software. Go to any major architectural firm and tell me what company provides most of their computers.
If streaming improves, that shouldn't be the case.
I meant more for developing richer denser worlds. Developers are going to ask for a lot more memory for the next gen considering the ideas they have. 32GB is just not enough at all.
Again, better streaming should make that irrelevant. There's only so much you can see at a given moment. Perfect JIT loading moves the pressure off RAM and onto storage.
Ooooh okay I get you now. You're very right in the sense better texture streaming for example you can do more with the same amount of RAM. But again It depends on how dense and rich the environments are going to be or what kind of game or idea the developer will be pursuing. In consultations with developers for the next gen, obviously the required figure for the amount of memory for next gen will be ascertained. Off the top of my head I think 32GB isnt enough, but to be honest I dont have anything to back that up besides past years where we saw much larger jumps in memory(Going from 5MB on PS1 to 40MB PS2 games to 512MB on the Xbox 360 to 8GB on PS4). It will come down to consultations with developers.
I think that next gen consoles will get no more than 32GB, memory isn't really a bottleneck anymore and textures are easily scalable.
I think its safe to say 32GB is the minimum and it will be GDDR7 looking at Micron's roadmap. 32GB of GDDR7 on next gen wont be a significant cost at all in 2028, especially compared to the BOM of the PS5 and Series X where they had to pay over $100 for the SSDs initially. That cost's now half of that or even less, possibly paying $50 per console for 1TB storage. So I wonder what they'll invest the most amount in next time. Something that can see cost reductions over the lifetime of the console. And memory is something that comes to mind. Other thing is the APU of course.
I'm kind of pessimistic on price reductions on silicon and memory going forward, so if 32gb of gddr7 aren't the same price as 16 gb of gddr6 were in 2020, I don't know if they can include it in a console. There's stuff like rt cores and ai cores which I think are a certainty, since they don't occupy too much area on the chip, but things that could be too costly are going to be axed in search of lower costs.
My last response on the subject ...
Some data scientists might be fine with using a cloud-based solution on their client machine which includes Apple devices but Apple customers don't have feature parity with other systems (Windows/Linux) when it comes to running frame works locally like PyTorch. While AutoCAD is supported on the latest Apple systems, you can't present the same case with SolidWorks or other Autodesk products/services ...
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Cwnutmpin (kwer-nut-em-pin) deserves its own technical definition.
interesting read thanks for sharing!!I'm kind of pessimistic on price reductions on silicon and memory going forward, so if 32gb of gddr7 aren't the same price as 16 gb of gddr6 were in 2020, I don't know if they can include it in a console. There's stuff like rt cores and ai cores which I think are a certainty, since they don't occupy too much area on the chip, but things that could be too costly are going to be axed in search of lower costs.
TSMC N3 Nodes Show SRAM Scaling is Hitting the Wall
When TSMC introduced its N3 lineup of nodes, the company only talked about the logic scaling of the two new semiconductor manufacturing steps. However, it turns out that there was a reason for it, as WikiChip confirms that the SRAM bit cells of N3 nodes are almost identical to the SRAM bit cells...www.google.com
Articles like this scare me
All this above applies to mid gen consoles as well \:
At this point RAM only needs to hold the working set of data, and a relatively minimal one at that, the need to preload data you might need next frame or a few after that is getting lower and lower (thanks super fast SSDs!). I don't see a particular advantage to going beyond maybe, 20-24gb for any next gen console no matter how fast.Those jumps were because bit/$ scaling was still very high back then but that's slowed down tremendously. There's a reason why memory only jumped x2 this generation, and barring some industry disrupting event I don't know what would reverse this trend. If anything even 32GB may not be a given. There's a reason why DRAM manufacturers (DDR5 shipping, GDDR7 road mapped) non powers of 2 DRAM, which wouldn't be needed if they felt just another straight doubling was easily possible.
