Pretty sure it was Sebbbi who said some stuff didn't work directly, in explanation of why PS4 games don't just run on Neo and they need tweaking to run.
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Nvidia deprecate hardware functionality frequently as well. You can't rely on hardware compatibility when the drivers for advancement literally are platforms with software drivers that can abstract around software-breaking changes in new hardware.
This used to be the approach with CGA, EGA and VGA standards and it was awful in terms of support.
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I think the PS4 has that covered. Stability updates are 99% of what Sony deploy. But credit to them, it's pretty damn stable!
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But on the contrary, it´s happening the reverse.
Sony is bringing the Neo.
About the shrink, that was the narrative here, but the rumours point to a Slim as well.
Needless to say that until both machines are in the market (XbS and PS4S) we won´t know for sure if they are indeed 14nm socs
Sorry, that´s not going to happen, the work it´s already done. They aren´t going to throw away millions into the sink in order to chase Ms in power, they don´t need to.
Would you consider drivers just a very thin API? They probably are the way to go, and can be kept to a minimal overhead as long as the hardware doesn't massively deviate.
Yeah, this thread seems to repeat a lot of suggestions to change the hardware in reaction to MS annoucement, as if Sony had no idea 6TF was possible. They know exactly what MS have access to. They would have expected it as a strong possibility since they have access to the same architecture from AMD.
AMD: Here's two GPU configuations: 6TF later and more expensive, 4.2TF earlier and less expensive
Sony: We'll focus on the 4.2TF, because the 6TF would jeopardize our target retail price
MS at E3: We chose 6TF
Sony: Oh Noes! How is that even possible! We need to go back to the drawing board!
People buy digital ? They tell me all the time here that I'm crazy that a system must have a physical medium because people want to buy and trade in their old games.
Now though everyone who has a ps4 buys their games digital ?
When xbox one got BC everyone said it didn't matter people don't play their old games. Now with neo everyone will want to play their old games.
Shifting goal posts as always
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I think the lines between driver and API are now very blurry and it's arguable whether the distinction is important when it comes to GPUs That there is a software layer between the application/game and the hardware that let's the hardware change and the software still work is probably sufficient. And we know from the Metro developers interview with Eurogamer that some of PS4's GNM APIs are nothing more than shoving raw bytes into the GPU's command buffers so retrospectively deploying an API with the goal of forwards compatibility could be tricky. Well it'd be hell if they didn't design it this way from the outset - maybe they did. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I thought one of the sites had overclocked the GDDR5 and saw a near linear boost in performance?
edit: nevermind
https://forum.beyond3d.com/posts/1927979/
Think I accidentally the 14 & 4.
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I do agree that Sony (and ms) knew what each other had access to.
but it doesn't mean that Sony couldn't be shocked. They could've ran the numbers, and assumed ms would come to the same conclusions, around the 4tf mark is mid gen upgrade not much else would make sense. Give or take a gflop here or there, not much to worry about.
I still don't think sony should or will change direction though.
Well some may buy digital - I buy digitial for games I will never sell (eg Uncharted 4) and then games I've bought on disk but loved so much I upgraded (Far Cry 4). Then (of course) you get digital games every month with PS+ - and let's face it, over time that's a lot of games to lose.
As for BC, I for one was fussed when money was more tight - now days it doesn't bother me and I have no desire to play standard BC other than maybe the recently confirmed RDR. However Neo playing PS4 games isn't really what I'd class as BC - if PS5 plays PS4 then I think we cross into BC, but even then I'm kind of expecting it, what I'd like is that if this is the new future (a console every ~3/4 years) for 2 or 3 consoles to be supported at all times - so PS4 games might work with PS5 but not PS5.5...again, a bit like iPhones where the phone get's to an age when it no longer is supported.
http://lsatblog.blogspot.ca/2011/02/lsat-numbers-all-most-several-many-some.html
All = 100%
Most / Majority = from (1/2 of total + 1) - up to 100%
Several / Many = 3 or more - up to 100%
Some = 1 or more - up to 100%
None = 0%
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syllogism
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I think it's safe to assume that when Sony approached AMD for options for Neo, they know the options available to them were available to Microsoft at that time. And the same for Microsoft vice versa. What neither Sony or Microsoft could have known, without industrial espionage or gross indiscretion by AMD, is the timing of the other's intended launch - and this really dictates what options were viable. Not only for designs AMD could offer but in terms of what fabs could reasonably deliver and in what volume and price.
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Given the timing of both machines, I guess Ms wanted to get rid of the "resolution-gate" and to outperform whatever Sony was cooking.
I understand Ms choices, they´ve been beaten hard in every comparison, and lost all the core-gamers goodwill.
But their choices have a price, they are going to be late, they are going to be pricier (if the machine is not subsidized)
Maybe i´m wrong all along, and Ms don´t see the console market dominance and competition a goal to pursue, so they´ll lump together every xbox as an W10 device, and they are happy just increasing their store usage.
I understand Ms choices, they´ve been beaten hard in every comparison, and lost all the core-gamers goodwill.
But their choices have a price, they are going to be late, they are going to be pricier (if the machine is not subsidized)
Maybe i´m wrong all along, and Ms don´t see the console market dominance and competition a goal to pursue, so they´ll lump together every xbox as an W10 device, and they are happy just increasing their store usage.
To me it seems a knee-jerk reaction to appease their biggest fans who expect the most powerful machine. When you look at everyting they've done since XBO reveal it's about toally changing perception of having the weakest machine - the cloud didn't work - the upclocks didn't work - so back to square one.
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Yeah, I don't buy Microsoft's sole motivation being to launch a more powerful console. This is where Microsoft entered the console industry and it didn't work. Commentators will say it's because they lacked brand awareness but that's bullshit. Sony had zero console cred and had a hit out of the gate - then another, then a fumble, then another hit.
I think Microsoft have plans which aren't clear yet but which made the timing give them more options than Sony. And I would (have have done by investing in a gaming PC) put money on this being related to their Windows 10 strategy.
I think Microsoft have plans which aren't clear yet but which made the timing give them more options than Sony. And I would (have have done by investing in a gaming PC) put money on this being related to their Windows 10 strategy.
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I really hope that those corporations are more rational than enthusiast in forums lol
For them it´s a chance to reset the generation, and leave behind XO narrative. They´ll shout to the roof 4k 4k and 4k.
As @DSoup points we don´t have the full picture yet, they´ll bring closer both ecosystems for sure.
Well, I think we are going circles. We know they are coming, more or less we know the specs, what we don´t know it´s the pricing and how will be marketed. will see
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