Surely it's not about absolutes, but the relative difference?
1.8 is 50% more than 1.2.
6 is oh wait it's 50% more than 4.
We're all doomed.
It's the trinity of doom signs.
Brexit, Trump and Sony's death.
Post Xbox One Two Scorpio, what should Sony do next? *spawn* (oh, and Nintendo?)
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1.8 is 50% more than 1.2.
6 is oh wait it's 50% more than 4.
We're all doomed.
It's the trinity of doom signs.
Brexit, Trump and Sony's death.
Michellstar
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Also, if they get a soc smaller than scorpio, they can compete in price for the whole gen, or mid-gen.
I don´t see Scorpio making a dent in the PS realm
I'm still not sure what the point of a 4 or a 6tf machine is, if we're not even going to get games that are built specifically for them.
I see it the same way as the existence of a GTX1070 and a GTX1080 for PC. They target the 1070 and then the 1080 give better res, and/or frame rate, and/or shader quality and/or anti-aliasing. Or whatever is easily enabled in the renderer. Games with good dynamic scaling will do this natually. It won't be the same thing we're used to with a real next gen, this is not a 10x increase, the CPU isn't much better, and there's barely more memory.
It's a weird move, for sure. The big question is more what the hell are they going to do with next gen. Rolling support? Last 2 gens target?
I think it's interesting that both vendors have evaluated their options and both are opting for platform changes that are not being given the status of dedicated software targets.
Given the market share numbers and the premium targeting, it's not looking like "winning" the gen or not has made a significant difference.
Given the market share numbers and the premium targeting, it's not looking like "winning" the gen or not has made a significant difference.
Well, we are at a TV resolution transition for 4K. You don't need to "specifically build" a game to get the benefit of that. Is there a point between Blu Ray and UHD Blu Ray?
But everyone is saying that Neo won't even be able to run demanding games in 4K. That's a bit silly, isn't it.
Well, I was looking at a Scorpio strategy there, more than Neo. If you are not (at least) scaling the pixel processing power up by at least a factor of 4x then then its not a clear that its achievable - hence the spec scaling (that has been advertised so far) on Scorpio seems clear that's this is the target. More specification details and subsequent games testing needs happen to see if this is realized.
The other case is VR.
steveOrino
Regular
The most sane post here.
It feels like the mid-gen is happening on both sides because "the other guy is doing it". Not explicitly or knowingly, but the market strategy works only if either both, or neither are making a mid-gen platform. OTOH, it would be a risky move if only one of them does it.
They both telegraphed this move years ago.
They both telegraphed this move years ago.
The announcements and the recent leaks do not provide enough notice for a "me too".
Something was decided some time ago, on both sides.
That could point to some shared projections on where the console generation can go, or some other shared factor prodding them to do this.
Something was decided some time ago, on both sides.
That could point to some shared projections on where the console generation can go, or some other shared factor prodding them to do this.
RancidLunchmeat
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I think the point is that comparing power differences proportionally isn't always reflective of reality because there could thresholds of performance that are exceeded at greater absolute values that are still within the same proportionality.
It actually looks more and more like phones, I sort of dislike it but a processing power, custom parts, the matching software and api re getting more and more of a commodities it could sensible for the console to adapt and provide system targeting various TV (or VR if it takes off) resolution. In the mobile world pretty much every bit of extra processing power is dedicated to pushing more pixels.
Moving from, high, to highest and above in many PC games result in less and less visible improvement, there could be a converge in quality setting and with the target resolution being the main differentiation between available systems.
It would be interesting if in 2017 we have leaks about a proper move from Sony toward a tiered approach with to significant difference in prices.
How not releasing Neo is surrounding a chunk of gamer to MSFT whom offers is mostly unchanged (PC and XB1) Sony has the upper hand and should keep it for a while, then as Scorpio release approaches along with demo, etc. it will be p to their marketing guys and their game line-up to keep s much gamers as they can till their new system is around. I don't see Neo helping as they don't need it now and an incremental upgrade against the launch of a new system might not cut it.
Looking at Intel CPU I suspect Zen could ended up "tiny", AMD current quad cores are north of 100 sq.mm (leaving the iGPU aside), big CPU cores are not longer big
I'm not even sure which logical fallacy that post relies on... there actually may be no logic aka it is a pretty free troll bait imho.
There is nothing mid -gen about Scorpio, its release is still quite distant and the system will havE nothing to do with the XB1 (or you speak about the 1S which is not in the sameballpark as Neo).
I think the next "gen" of consoles after Neo/Scorpio will coincide with mass availability of the next node (10nm) which will probably be ~2019 for higher performance/non-mobile parts.
Xbox One and PS4 just released so low spec that it was easy to release a new box earlier that will, most importantly, sell at a premium price tag. The economics of the console industry, having a launch price around $400-500 without taking a huge loss on each unit, make that possible. Not expecting it to shorten much more than 4 years. If they get to two years for a new box, I think they may be in trouble.
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